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[–] PvtGetSum@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's a bit of a stretch don't you think. I don't like the church either but saying they're responsible for the Holocaust is quite a leap lmfao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) They are unquestionably responsible for helping a load of high level Nazi murderers to escape after the war, so maybe it's not too much of a leap considering how pervasive the Nazi message has remained after all these years permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's helping them escape, not being responsible for what nazis did. I mean it's irreparably damaging to their already abominable image but it wasn't their fault Hitler rose to power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I wasn't offering that as evidence that they were responsible for the Holocaust, I was offering it as an example of their close ties with the church. Unless you think they just became buddy buddy with them after the war ended? Considering we're only just learning about the large part they played helping these criminals escape justice, it might not be so far fetched of an idea that the Catholics had a larger role in the Holocaust than we know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Harvey656@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Perhaps but the problem is that we don't know how deep their role was. There plenty of reasons hate on the catholic church without inventing things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrpants@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago The problem here is that you don't know how deep their role was. Nothing is being made up. Pope John XXIII even wrote about the role Catholic antisemitism played in the lead up to the Holocaust. https://origins.osu.edu/history-news/catholic-church-and-holocaust?language_content_entity=en https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Judaism permalink fedilink source parent [–] cantrips@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So did the US government, in Operation Paperclip. Arguably worse was the protection that the US government gave towards Japanese war criminals in Unit 731. The US govt has protected / harbored some of the most evil people to have lived in the past century. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nice whataboutism! permalink fedilink source parent [–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not directly, no. But would you mind exlaining to me why the Nazi's social darwinism heavily focused on Jews?What's the root cause of antisemitism? I can answer it: the church's centuries of antisemitism. There's a reason antisemitism was this extremely widespread in Europe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PvtGetSum@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Antisemitism was prevalent long before the Catholic Church, and was prevalent outside of the church. Unfortunately it's one of those things that is just shitty behavior, and not exclusively a shitty church thing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) They are unquestionably responsible for helping a load of high level Nazi murderers to escape after the war, so maybe it's not too much of a leap considering how pervasive the Nazi message has remained after all these years permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's helping them escape, not being responsible for what nazis did. I mean it's irreparably damaging to their already abominable image but it wasn't their fault Hitler rose to power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I wasn't offering that as evidence that they were responsible for the Holocaust, I was offering it as an example of their close ties with the church. Unless you think they just became buddy buddy with them after the war ended? Considering we're only just learning about the large part they played helping these criminals escape justice, it might not be so far fetched of an idea that the Catholics had a larger role in the Holocaust than we know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Harvey656@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Perhaps but the problem is that we don't know how deep their role was. There plenty of reasons hate on the catholic church without inventing things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrpants@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago The problem here is that you don't know how deep their role was. Nothing is being made up. Pope John XXIII even wrote about the role Catholic antisemitism played in the lead up to the Holocaust. https://origins.osu.edu/history-news/catholic-church-and-holocaust?language_content_entity=en https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Judaism permalink fedilink source parent [–] cantrips@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So did the US government, in Operation Paperclip. Arguably worse was the protection that the US government gave towards Japanese war criminals in Unit 731. The US govt has protected / harbored some of the most evil people to have lived in the past century. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nice whataboutism! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's helping them escape, not being responsible for what nazis did. I mean it's irreparably damaging to their already abominable image but it wasn't their fault Hitler rose to power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I wasn't offering that as evidence that they were responsible for the Holocaust, I was offering it as an example of their close ties with the church. Unless you think they just became buddy buddy with them after the war ended? Considering we're only just learning about the large part they played helping these criminals escape justice, it might not be so far fetched of an idea that the Catholics had a larger role in the Holocaust than we know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Harvey656@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Perhaps but the problem is that we don't know how deep their role was. There plenty of reasons hate on the catholic church without inventing things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrpants@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago The problem here is that you don't know how deep their role was. Nothing is being made up. Pope John XXIII even wrote about the role Catholic antisemitism played in the lead up to the Holocaust. https://origins.osu.edu/history-news/catholic-church-and-holocaust?language_content_entity=en https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Judaism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I wasn't offering that as evidence that they were responsible for the Holocaust, I was offering it as an example of their close ties with the church. Unless you think they just became buddy buddy with them after the war ended? Considering we're only just learning about the large part they played helping these criminals escape justice, it might not be so far fetched of an idea that the Catholics had a larger role in the Holocaust than we know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Harvey656@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Perhaps but the problem is that we don't know how deep their role was. There plenty of reasons hate on the catholic church without inventing things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrpants@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago The problem here is that you don't know how deep their role was. Nothing is being made up. Pope John XXIII even wrote about the role Catholic antisemitism played in the lead up to the Holocaust. https://origins.osu.edu/history-news/catholic-church-and-holocaust?language_content_entity=en https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Judaism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Perhaps but the problem is that we don't know how deep their role was. There plenty of reasons hate on the catholic church without inventing things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mrpants@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago The problem here is that you don't know how deep their role was. Nothing is being made up. Pope John XXIII even wrote about the role Catholic antisemitism played in the lead up to the Holocaust. https://origins.osu.edu/history-news/catholic-church-and-holocaust?language_content_entity=en https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Judaism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrpants@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago The problem here is that you don't know how deep their role was. Nothing is being made up. Pope John XXIII even wrote about the role Catholic antisemitism played in the lead up to the Holocaust. https://origins.osu.edu/history-news/catholic-church-and-holocaust?language_content_entity=en https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Judaism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cantrips@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So did the US government, in Operation Paperclip. Arguably worse was the protection that the US government gave towards Japanese war criminals in Unit 731. The US govt has protected / harbored some of the most evil people to have lived in the past century. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nice whataboutism! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nice whataboutism! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not directly, no. But would you mind exlaining to me why the Nazi's social darwinism heavily focused on Jews?What's the root cause of antisemitism? I can answer it: the church's centuries of antisemitism. There's a reason antisemitism was this extremely widespread in Europe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PvtGetSum@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Antisemitism was prevalent long before the Catholic Church, and was prevalent outside of the church. Unfortunately it's one of those things that is just shitty behavior, and not exclusively a shitty church thing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PvtGetSum@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Antisemitism was prevalent long before the Catholic Church, and was prevalent outside of the church. Unfortunately it's one of those things that is just shitty behavior, and not exclusively a shitty church thing permalink fedilink source parent