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Stephen Miller says undocumented immigrants ‘had no due process entering the country’ and don’t deserve it in removal (www.latintimes.com)
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"There are 15 million illegal aliens," Miller said adding that "if each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries"

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller said in a video that went viral on Friday that undocumented immigrants are not entitled to due process protections when being removed from the United States, arguing that providing full legal proceedings would make deportations unworkable.

"There are 15 million illegal aliens," Miller said. "If each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries. They had no due process entering the country, and they are not entitled to it when being removed."

Supreme Court precedent has long held that constitutional protections apply to noncitizens within U.S. territory. In Wong Wing v. United States (1896), the Court ruled that the Fifth Amendment's due process clause protects noncitizens from arbitrary detention or punishment.

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[–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I disagree but it's kind of a soft disagreement, as I don't really know for sure. Obviously we're all joking about the torture, and don't condone violence...

But, we generally torture people of small crimes, or torture objectively innocent people. Think of the children in the African mines, still to this day.

The people who are causing all our problems never or rarely get tortured. And because they have all the wealth and power, they rarely get any form of punishment. They aren't afraid of any consequences, generally.

So if we actually did start torturing them, and showing them they're not invincible, would they change their ways?... Idk but maybe.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Punishment as a deterrent hasn't worked for the entirety of human civilization. Otherwise we would have fewer murders than other countries as we continue to be one of the few places that cling to capital punishment. There will always be monsters. I won't argue that murder isn't justified, but it also isn't a "solution" in the strictest sense. Fear is what you're talking about and it is a fickle master.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Ok fair enough, and you might be right, maybe even probably right. Idk. But I think this glosses over a point I was trying to make.

    It is the extreme wealthy and powerful who essentially have little or no consequences, yet they are causing all of our problems and hardships and suffering. They have nothing to fear. They have little or no accountability.

    "The history says it doesn't work" isn't enough for me. Are you talking about the 1400s when some peasants tortured and killed some malevolent king? I haven't seen or heard anything like this to make enough of an impact where we can say "all the malevolent leaders are being killed by their peasants, yet they continue to treat their peasants cruelly, therefore torturing them doesn't work". Most historical torture was inflicted by the leaders, on the peasants, for various reasons.

    The argument you are making, which I have heard before, is EXACTLY the belief I would want the poors to think and spread if I was at the top of the powerful elites.

    Obviously I am not condoning torture or violence.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Nope. Torture isn't a deterrent, it's a sadistic indulgence.

    If Miller ever faces people's justice, it should be with due process, and if he's found guilty, the outcome should be fast, cheap and irreversible.

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