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[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 20 points 8 months ago (2 children) There's a similar and related math problem for this: How many people do you need in a room before 2 of them share a birthday? The answer is around 50, which is way less than most people expect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@piefed.world 16 points 8 months ago* (2 children) At 50 people is is 97% likely and at 60 people it is 99% likely. So not guaranteed, but surprising if nobody shares a birthday. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 8 months ago The math on it really defies most people's intuition permalink fedilink source parent [–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) I think the question is usually frames as "how many people does it take to make it at least 50% likely that two people will share a birthday", or more likely than not etc. A guarantee would need 366 people. But most people are satisfied with "more likely than not", "90% chance", or "99% chance". EDIT: I meant 367, not 366! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@piefed.world 7 points 8 months ago* More than 50% is like 20 people. It would take 367 for a guarantee because of leap years. permalink fedilink source parent [+] frongt@lemmy.zip -8 points 8 months ago (3 children) 366 would not guarantee it. That's not how probability works. You cannot guarantee a shared birthday without selecting people. And not to mention, birthdays aren't evenly distributed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Once you have more people than days in a year it's not about statistics anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 8 months ago (1 child) 366 people wouldnt guarantee no shared birthdays though. There could still be one leap year baby in that bunch. But what are the odds in that? 2.6 • 10^-158 , if anyone is curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clif@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago That sad experiment where 366 people in a room all have the exact same birthday. Statisticly unlikely, but definitely possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) I misunderstood the scenario. For some reason I was thinking that if you randomly selected people and had a duplicate birthday that's what you didn't want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 point 8 months ago i also interpreted this how you did. you are not alone, internet stranger permalink fedilink source parent [+] rooster_butt@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] otp@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 months ago Oops -- I meant 367! permalink fedilink source parent [–] howl2@lemmy.zip 8 points 8 months ago If you assume one mass shooting every three days for the last 15 years, and there being 1700 people "present" for each (within earshot, not necessarily immediately in danger), there are now over 3 million people who have now been present for shootings. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snooggums@piefed.world 16 points 8 months ago* (2 children) At 50 people is is 97% likely and at 60 people it is 99% likely. So not guaranteed, but surprising if nobody shares a birthday. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 8 months ago The math on it really defies most people's intuition permalink fedilink source parent [–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) I think the question is usually frames as "how many people does it take to make it at least 50% likely that two people will share a birthday", or more likely than not etc. A guarantee would need 366 people. But most people are satisfied with "more likely than not", "90% chance", or "99% chance". EDIT: I meant 367, not 366! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@piefed.world 7 points 8 months ago* More than 50% is like 20 people. It would take 367 for a guarantee because of leap years. permalink fedilink source parent [+] frongt@lemmy.zip -8 points 8 months ago (3 children) 366 would not guarantee it. That's not how probability works. You cannot guarantee a shared birthday without selecting people. And not to mention, birthdays aren't evenly distributed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Once you have more people than days in a year it's not about statistics anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 8 months ago (1 child) 366 people wouldnt guarantee no shared birthdays though. There could still be one leap year baby in that bunch. But what are the odds in that? 2.6 • 10^-158 , if anyone is curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clif@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago That sad experiment where 366 people in a room all have the exact same birthday. Statisticly unlikely, but definitely possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) I misunderstood the scenario. For some reason I was thinking that if you randomly selected people and had a duplicate birthday that's what you didn't want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 point 8 months ago i also interpreted this how you did. you are not alone, internet stranger permalink fedilink source parent [+] rooster_butt@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] otp@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 months ago Oops -- I meant 367! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 8 months ago The math on it really defies most people's intuition permalink fedilink source parent
[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) I think the question is usually frames as "how many people does it take to make it at least 50% likely that two people will share a birthday", or more likely than not etc. A guarantee would need 366 people. But most people are satisfied with "more likely than not", "90% chance", or "99% chance". EDIT: I meant 367, not 366! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@piefed.world 7 points 8 months ago* More than 50% is like 20 people. It would take 367 for a guarantee because of leap years. permalink fedilink source parent [+] frongt@lemmy.zip -8 points 8 months ago (3 children) 366 would not guarantee it. That's not how probability works. You cannot guarantee a shared birthday without selecting people. And not to mention, birthdays aren't evenly distributed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Once you have more people than days in a year it's not about statistics anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 8 months ago (1 child) 366 people wouldnt guarantee no shared birthdays though. There could still be one leap year baby in that bunch. But what are the odds in that? 2.6 • 10^-158 , if anyone is curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clif@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago That sad experiment where 366 people in a room all have the exact same birthday. Statisticly unlikely, but definitely possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) I misunderstood the scenario. For some reason I was thinking that if you randomly selected people and had a duplicate birthday that's what you didn't want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 point 8 months ago i also interpreted this how you did. you are not alone, internet stranger permalink fedilink source parent [+] rooster_butt@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] otp@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 months ago Oops -- I meant 367! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snooggums@piefed.world 7 points 8 months ago* More than 50% is like 20 people. It would take 367 for a guarantee because of leap years. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] frongt@lemmy.zip -8 points 8 months ago (3 children) 366 would not guarantee it. That's not how probability works. You cannot guarantee a shared birthday without selecting people. And not to mention, birthdays aren't evenly distributed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Once you have more people than days in a year it's not about statistics anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 8 months ago (1 child) 366 people wouldnt guarantee no shared birthdays though. There could still be one leap year baby in that bunch. But what are the odds in that? 2.6 • 10^-158 , if anyone is curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clif@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago That sad experiment where 366 people in a room all have the exact same birthday. Statisticly unlikely, but definitely possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) I misunderstood the scenario. For some reason I was thinking that if you randomly selected people and had a duplicate birthday that's what you didn't want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 point 8 months ago i also interpreted this how you did. you are not alone, internet stranger permalink fedilink source parent [+] rooster_butt@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] otp@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 months ago Oops -- I meant 367! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children) Once you have more people than days in a year it's not about statistics anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 8 months ago (1 child) 366 people wouldnt guarantee no shared birthdays though. There could still be one leap year baby in that bunch. But what are the odds in that? 2.6 • 10^-158 , if anyone is curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clif@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago That sad experiment where 366 people in a room all have the exact same birthday. Statisticly unlikely, but definitely possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) I misunderstood the scenario. For some reason I was thinking that if you randomly selected people and had a duplicate birthday that's what you didn't want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 point 8 months ago i also interpreted this how you did. you are not alone, internet stranger permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 8 months ago (1 child) 366 people wouldnt guarantee no shared birthdays though. There could still be one leap year baby in that bunch. But what are the odds in that? 2.6 • 10^-158 , if anyone is curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clif@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago That sad experiment where 366 people in a room all have the exact same birthday. Statisticly unlikely, but definitely possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clif@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago That sad experiment where 366 people in a room all have the exact same birthday. Statisticly unlikely, but definitely possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) I misunderstood the scenario. For some reason I was thinking that if you randomly selected people and had a duplicate birthday that's what you didn't want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 point 8 months ago i also interpreted this how you did. you are not alone, internet stranger permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 point 8 months ago i also interpreted this how you did. you are not alone, internet stranger permalink fedilink source parent
[–] howl2@lemmy.zip 8 points 8 months ago If you assume one mass shooting every three days for the last 15 years, and there being 1700 people "present" for each (within earshot, not necessarily immediately in danger), there are now over 3 million people who have now been present for shootings. permalink fedilink source parent