And don't you start grandstanding about what you think that should mean for us, because regardless of what you say your outside understanding will be incomplete and your opinions will be ignorant.

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Apply the same logic. Scotland has had a pro- independence party in power since 2007, do you think this manifests in a vacuum or because there's legitimate reason to regard Scotland as a nation?

75 years ago would you disregard the notion of Ukraine being a nation? Now you'd agree it most definitely is, but back then it was a member of the USSR, does that remove its credentials of being a nation just because it's been subjugated by a larger entity? Despite it's lengthy history, individual culture, etc?