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Children killed in mass shooting at kids' birthday party in California (news.sky.com)
submitted 8 months ago by [M] to c/news@lemmings.world
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[–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

So, you want to take away rights from all people, even those who have demonstrated an ability to safely and responsibly own firearms, because a very small minority of people abused those same rights? Why should I be punished because someone else broke the law? How is that not a violation of my sixth ammendment right to due process?

If I were interested in being snarky, this is where I would tell you to think like an adult, not a tyrant.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Your desire for this right harms others. Harm reduction isn't personal.

    You feeling punished is immaterial, life isn't fair. There are many cases where restrictions are required because humans are flawed. For example air travel. It's not fair that I can't fly anonymously but we live in today's reality and not some imagined future where such a measure is unnecessary.

    Gun owners have been giving ample time to come up with a solution but have resist every effort and actually expanded gun rights and worsened the problem.

    An amendment to nullify the second amendment is our only resource because your movement has given us no alternative recourse.

    I am thoroughly disgusted that the unrelenting behavior of gun culture has caused a need to "for that children" on this issue but here are. :

    I not ok with anymore children being murdered by gun violence. You and other gun enthusiasts aren't, gun rights expanded. It's fucking depraved. Anyone who isn't pushing for reform is culpable.

    The opinion of those who allow children to be murdered is of zero interest to me.

    I do not expect you to agree you're culpable because I believe your opinion would change. If I'm wrong there, please report to the nearly wood chipper. At least most pedophiles leave the child alive.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Gun owners have been giving ample time to come up with a solution but have resist every effort

    The lack of legislative action in the US to address gun deaths and gun violence isn’t because gun owners in the US don’t want it, it’s because of the regulatory and legal capture that’s been building in this country over the past half a century or so. Every gun owner I know would like (or at least wouldn’t mind) seeing some sensible measures in place that significantly reduce the number of gun deaths in the US. We also agree that the most effective way to reduce gun deaths and gun violence is to address the root causes and societal factors that contribute to them; poverty, homelessness, drug use, mental health, police training, and so on. If you really want to prevent these deaths, address those first. Most gun owners, in fact, most Americans, agree these things should happen, do advocate for them, and would vote for them, but the sad reality of our political system means these interests aren’t represented.

    You feeling punished is immaterial

    You’re right, it’s about much more than just me and my feelings; allow me to word my argument more appropriately.

    The vast, VAST majority (over 99%) of gun owners in the US exercise their right to bear arms responsibly. Less than one percent of gun owners in the US commit all gun violence on US soil (since shootings on military bases and US embassies abroad contribute to the statistics, I’ll refer to them too).

    To restrict the rights of everyone, including everyone who doesn't exercise that right, and everyone who exercises that right responsibly, because one percent of the people who do exercise that right, abuse it, is not a net benefit to, and should be a very concerning proposition to a free society.

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