▲ 985 ▼ The cookie dilemma (feddit.org) submitted 8 months ago by NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org to c/memes@lemmy.world 155 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 months ago (3 children) Hence why the EU is now forcing an "easy way to decline". All compliant websites have a "reject all cookies" button now. Which I learned on accident, because normally I have Ghostery installed, which just rejects all cookies automatically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] matti@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 months ago I'm pretty sure that was the law from day 1 and the only difference is they're starting to crack down on it now permalink fedilink source parent [+] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago That was Adblock Plus. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) I believe they were allowing anyone who paid them money to not be blocked. Hmmm... Must've been a long while ago. I've been using them for... 3? 4? years and never had any ads getting through. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago Well, I firmly believe in redemption arcs. Also, the product is just really good right now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Amir@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Don't use Ghostery anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Amir@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Check the Wikipedia page on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yeah? Still not seeing a reason not to use it today. Do you have any specific criticisms? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust and owned by a for profit company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust By a different company. Owners changed in 2017. owned by a for profit company Which makes a privacy-oriented search engine. Seems like they have a pretty good track record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. Their search engine was discontinued in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. And they stopped after it was criticised. Do you just not use any product that has ever been bad for any amount of time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive. I do use bad products, but it's important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive Who's defensive...? I do use bad products Umm... Good for you! (?) Not sure why you decided to share that, though. but it’s important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. I agree! How about rewarding a redemption arc, where a bad actor changes management and becomes a "good actor"? (that was the original question, btw) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Well that was a weird rhetorical question. Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies. And even them, how would I know they've become a good actor? It's really hard to be sure that a software is not doing something bad. Trust in software should be really, really hard to acquire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] matti@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 months ago I'm pretty sure that was the law from day 1 and the only difference is they're starting to crack down on it now permalink fedilink source parent
[+] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago That was Adblock Plus. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) I believe they were allowing anyone who paid them money to not be blocked. Hmmm... Must've been a long while ago. I've been using them for... 3? 4? years and never had any ads getting through. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago Well, I firmly believe in redemption arcs. Also, the product is just really good right now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago That was Adblock Plus. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) I believe they were allowing anyone who paid them money to not be blocked. Hmmm... Must've been a long while ago. I've been using them for... 3? 4? years and never had any ads getting through. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago Well, I firmly believe in redemption arcs. Also, the product is just really good right now. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago Well, I firmly believe in redemption arcs. Also, the product is just really good right now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago Well, I firmly believe in redemption arcs. Also, the product is just really good right now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Don't use Ghostery anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Amir@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Check the Wikipedia page on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yeah? Still not seeing a reason not to use it today. Do you have any specific criticisms? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust and owned by a for profit company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust By a different company. Owners changed in 2017. owned by a for profit company Which makes a privacy-oriented search engine. Seems like they have a pretty good track record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. Their search engine was discontinued in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. And they stopped after it was criticised. Do you just not use any product that has ever been bad for any amount of time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive. I do use bad products, but it's important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive Who's defensive...? I do use bad products Umm... Good for you! (?) Not sure why you decided to share that, though. but it’s important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. I agree! How about rewarding a redemption arc, where a bad actor changes management and becomes a "good actor"? (that was the original question, btw) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Well that was a weird rhetorical question. Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies. And even them, how would I know they've become a good actor? It's really hard to be sure that a software is not doing something bad. Trust in software should be really, really hard to acquire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Amir@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Check the Wikipedia page on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yeah? Still not seeing a reason not to use it today. Do you have any specific criticisms? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust and owned by a for profit company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust By a different company. Owners changed in 2017. owned by a for profit company Which makes a privacy-oriented search engine. Seems like they have a pretty good track record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. Their search engine was discontinued in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. And they stopped after it was criticised. Do you just not use any product that has ever been bad for any amount of time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive. I do use bad products, but it's important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive Who's defensive...? I do use bad products Umm... Good for you! (?) Not sure why you decided to share that, though. but it’s important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. I agree! How about rewarding a redemption arc, where a bad actor changes management and becomes a "good actor"? (that was the original question, btw) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Well that was a weird rhetorical question. Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies. And even them, how would I know they've become a good actor? It's really hard to be sure that a software is not doing something bad. Trust in software should be really, really hard to acquire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Check the Wikipedia page on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yeah? Still not seeing a reason not to use it today. Do you have any specific criticisms? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust and owned by a for profit company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust By a different company. Owners changed in 2017. owned by a for profit company Which makes a privacy-oriented search engine. Seems like they have a pretty good track record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. Their search engine was discontinued in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. And they stopped after it was criticised. Do you just not use any product that has ever been bad for any amount of time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive. I do use bad products, but it's important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive Who's defensive...? I do use bad products Umm... Good for you! (?) Not sure why you decided to share that, though. but it’s important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. I agree! How about rewarding a redemption arc, where a bad actor changes management and becomes a "good actor"? (that was the original question, btw) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Well that was a weird rhetorical question. Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies. And even them, how would I know they've become a good actor? It's really hard to be sure that a software is not doing something bad. Trust in software should be really, really hard to acquire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Yeah? Still not seeing a reason not to use it today. Do you have any specific criticisms? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust and owned by a for profit company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust By a different company. Owners changed in 2017. owned by a for profit company Which makes a privacy-oriented search engine. Seems like they have a pretty good track record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. Their search engine was discontinued in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. And they stopped after it was criticised. Do you just not use any product that has ever been bad for any amount of time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive. I do use bad products, but it's important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive Who's defensive...? I do use bad products Umm... Good for you! (?) Not sure why you decided to share that, though. but it’s important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. I agree! How about rewarding a redemption arc, where a bad actor changes management and becomes a "good actor"? (that was the original question, btw) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Well that was a weird rhetorical question. Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies. And even them, how would I know they've become a good actor? It's really hard to be sure that a software is not doing something bad. Trust in software should be really, really hard to acquire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust and owned by a for profit company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust By a different company. Owners changed in 2017. owned by a for profit company Which makes a privacy-oriented search engine. Seems like they have a pretty good track record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. Their search engine was discontinued in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. And they stopped after it was criticised. Do you just not use any product that has ever been bad for any amount of time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive. I do use bad products, but it's important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive Who's defensive...? I do use bad products Umm... Good for you! (?) Not sure why you decided to share that, though. but it’s important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. I agree! How about rewarding a redemption arc, where a bad actor changes management and becomes a "good actor"? (that was the original question, btw) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Well that was a weird rhetorical question. Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies. And even them, how would I know they've become a good actor? It's really hard to be sure that a software is not doing something bad. Trust in software should be really, really hard to acquire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Breach of trust By a different company. Owners changed in 2017. owned by a for profit company Which makes a privacy-oriented search engine. Seems like they have a pretty good track record. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. Their search engine was discontinued in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. And they stopped after it was criticised. Do you just not use any product that has ever been bad for any amount of time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive. I do use bad products, but it's important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive Who's defensive...? I do use bad products Umm... Good for you! (?) Not sure why you decided to share that, though. but it’s important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. I agree! How about rewarding a redemption arc, where a bad actor changes management and becomes a "good actor"? (that was the original question, btw) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Well that was a weird rhetorical question. Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies. And even them, how would I know they've become a good actor? It's really hard to be sure that a software is not doing something bad. Trust in software should be really, really hard to acquire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. Their search engine was discontinued in 2020. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. And they stopped after it was criticised. Do you just not use any product that has ever been bad for any amount of time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive. I do use bad products, but it's important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive Who's defensive...? I do use bad products Umm... Good for you! (?) Not sure why you decided to share that, though. but it’s important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. I agree! How about rewarding a redemption arc, where a bad actor changes management and becomes a "good actor"? (that was the original question, btw) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Well that was a weird rhetorical question. Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies. And even them, how would I know they've become a good actor? It's really hard to be sure that a software is not doing something bad. Trust in software should be really, really hard to acquire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) And they started using ghostery to show their own ads in 2018. And they stopped after it was criticised. Do you just not use any product that has ever been bad for any amount of time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive. I do use bad products, but it's important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive Who's defensive...? I do use bad products Umm... Good for you! (?) Not sure why you decided to share that, though. but it’s important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. I agree! How about rewarding a redemption arc, where a bad actor changes management and becomes a "good actor"? (that was the original question, btw) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Well that was a weird rhetorical question. Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies. And even them, how would I know they've become a good actor? It's really hard to be sure that a software is not doing something bad. Trust in software should be really, really hard to acquire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive. I do use bad products, but it's important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive Who's defensive...? I do use bad products Umm... Good for you! (?) Not sure why you decided to share that, though. but it’s important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. I agree! How about rewarding a redemption arc, where a bad actor changes management and becomes a "good actor"? (that was the original question, btw) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Well that was a weird rhetorical question. Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies. And even them, how would I know they've become a good actor? It's really hard to be sure that a software is not doing something bad. Trust in software should be really, really hard to acquire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) No need to get defensive Who's defensive...? I do use bad products Umm... Good for you! (?) Not sure why you decided to share that, though. but it’s important to try to find the least bad and avoid rewarding bad actors. I agree! How about rewarding a redemption arc, where a bad actor changes management and becomes a "good actor"? (that was the original question, btw) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Well that was a weird rhetorical question. Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies. And even them, how would I know they've become a good actor? It's really hard to be sure that a software is not doing something bad. Trust in software should be really, really hard to acquire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Well that was a weird rhetorical question. Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies. And even them, how would I know they've become a good actor? It's really hard to be sure that a software is not doing something bad. Trust in software should be really, really hard to acquire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Redemption arcs are for people, not for companies So, how are you browsing the Internet? Can't use Chromium (Google), can't use Safari (Apple). Can't use Mozilla after their "bad actor" behaviour with telemetry and Pocket integration (not to mention the fact that they're literally on Google's payroll). Can't use Servo (originally made by Mozilla), can't use Ladybird (main dev is a fascist). Are you posting this through telepathic transmission, or are you just a hypocrite? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ivn@jlai.lu 1 point 8 months ago No, as I said I do use some bad software but I try to find the least worst. permalink fedilink source parent
