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Is the FOSS world in danger of a corporate takeover, thanks to pushover licenses? (lemmy.world)
submitted 9 months ago by to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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I ask this because I think of the recent switch of Ubuntu to the Rust recode of the GNU core utils, which use an MIT license. There are many Rust recodes of GPL software that re-license it as a pushover MIT or Apache licenses. I worry these relicensing efforts this will significantly harm the FOSS ecosystem. Is this reason to start worrying or is it not that bad?

IMO, if the FOSS world makes something public, with extensive liberties, then the only thing that should be asked in return is that people preserve these liberties, like the GPL successfully enforces. These pushover licenses preserve nothing.

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[–] 8 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

I use permissive licenses not because I’m a pushover, but because I really don’t care what you do with it.

The point of all of this is that you really should, no matter what it is. I'm sure there is something you would object to having been a part of; protecting your labor from contributing to that only makes sense. If you really have no problems with that, then that is simply terrifying.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    My labor is done. I've already made the product. I have nothing to protect it from. Someone copying the product deprives me of nothing.

    Also, you seem to be moving into another topic of controlling how software is used which is rarely ever addressed in licenses.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There is a reason nearly every software corporation out there is allergic to GPL code, and similarly why they love MIT/BSD/Apache code. I urge you to consider why that is. Licenses do affect how software is used, that is literally the purpose of them.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    There is a reason nearly every software corporation out there is allergic to GPL code, and similarly why they love MIT/BSD/Apache code. I urge you to consider why that is.

    I'm well aware. Are you assuming that people using permissive licenses are somehow incapable of understanding the implication of their license choice?

    Licenses do affect how software is used, that is literally the purpose of them.

    You implied that I would be "contributing to something" I would object to. I'm left to fill in the gaps. Maybe be more direct in your comments.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The point of all of this is that you really should, no matter what it is.

    That's like saying: I have a pecan orchard, I like my trees and I don't mind if people collect the nuts as they walk by. Oh, but the point is: you really should, those are your nuts, you pay the taxes on the land, you care for the trees, YOU should be the one to sell them, not give them away to some randos passing by.

    Yeah, sure. You do you.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Headline 1: mangocats supports local drug dealers by providing free-to-use property under the guise of free pecans to hide young adults that indulge in drug use, promiscuity, and other acts on mangocats pecan orchard.

    That's the most obvious and potentially PC way that predators can overreach on someone's generosity and turn a "awwe" thing (the free pecans) into people getting in trouble or hurt.

    The worst is some legal jujitsu of your signage "free pecans" implying tacit and potentially unrestricted use and/or terms of use to the orchard. Now some asshole subsumes your free pecans into the bottom line of their criminal enterprise, and you're the longest running connection providing a financial bedrock for their blah blah. Now you're in Rico. Pecans to uncle without even hitting the blunt.

    I don't speak from experience. But I was a young adult, I do by the book things, and I also developed an imagination of what can and could happen.

    Then I tried magic cigarettes and got paranoid and now all I do is cross my Ts because therenare real good people to become better from. And there's the other kind too and they love slipping people up.

    "Free nuts"

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Of course, shit-for-neighbors can make all kinds of trouble out of anything. I was thinking more along the lines of MIT free nuts, take 'em, eat 'em, sell 'em, just don't sue me over 'em. As opposed to GPL "free nuts," must be consumed on the property. If you take a dump while you're here be sure to bury it at least 3" deep along with any TP used. Bring your own privacy screening.

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