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The right can’t decide if it's okay to hate Jews (www.motherjones.com)
submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by to c/politics@lemmy.world
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note - this article isn't a defense of Israel, don't worry

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[–] [S] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

None of this is actually relevant to my question and it concerns me that you don't seem to be able to grasp that.

Where has Hasan Piker been antisemitic? Where is your proof? <- That was the question if you forgot

NOTE, THE QUESTION IS NOT "WHEN HAS HASAN CRITICIZED ISRAEL?".

It seems like you want to discuss your feelings here more than actually provide evidence for your accusation of someone harboring bigotry towards jewish people and honestly I don't give a shit about your feelings in this established context.

If you are going to accuse someone of being antisemitic, publicly and in concert with toxic voices, than make sure you are ready to back up your words before you start wasting people's time.

Stop trying to make this a conversation about Israeli politics, I am talking about antisemitism not what the best political strategy there is to take according to internal Israel politics for ending the Genocide Of Palestinians.

(on Gaza, which he painted as the only issue)

Right, Hasan Piker does hours of political streaming everyday, goes on different politics platforms and discusses issues and spends his entire time while doing so ONLY talking about Gaza. This is a lazy attack and it simply doesn't hold up to any scrutiny at all.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I think you are being deliberately obtuse, the rhetoric I shared is antisemitism, but since you have adopted a narrow definition for what antisemitism is derived from who knows where, rather than listening to Jewish voices, this is going to just have to remain an impass. Thought experiment, imagine going up to a black person and telling them that their perception of American police racism against black people is made up and they have to provide examples, all of which are dismissed as being justified or not counting. I understand there is nuance in protesting things the Israeli government is doing, and I acknowledge that they certainly leverage antisemitism as a victim shield.... That doesn't apply to average Jews, or many Israelis, but the rhetoric has no acknowledgement for that. If those links above can't provoke a "ok, I see it, maybe he could do a better job of making sure average American Jews and Israelis are carved out" response, then we will never see eye to eye, and here we are arguing when we probably agree 99% of the time. Again, making enemies out of allies.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I understand there is nuance in protesting things the Israeli government is doing, and I acknowledge that they certainly leverage antisemitism as a victim shield....

    That doesn't apply to average Jews, or many Israelis

    It applies to all of Israel, Israel is a genocidal Apartheid state. The evidence is horrifyingly overwhelming for this fact, even if you just go off of what Israeli officials publicly say on record.

    There are gradations of complicity, but make no mistake the Palestinian Genocide is a stain on Israel, all of it.

    If you live in Israel and you aren't yourself the target of genocide, you are complicit to some degree. Sorry, that is how responsibility works...

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And there it is, you say all citizens, even those that object to the government, are fair to hold responsible for the actions of the government. YOU lumped them all together. Unless this is a special carve out for Jews, I hope you apply that to all nations. The Uhygurs being genocided in China? Fair to hold accountable for China's hostilities in the south China sea. American socialist protestor who hates Trump? Valid military target for the attacks off the coast of south america. Average starving Palestenian? Directly responsible for the murder of civilians on Oct 7. I am obviously being absurd... You have been programmed to treat all Israelis as a monolithic thing, AND THAT IS ANTISEMITISM.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    You have been programmed to treat all Israelis as a monolithic thing, AND THAT IS ANTISEMITISM.

    1. I said all Israelis not a target of Genocide are to some gradational degree complicit in the Palestinian Genocide. This is not the same thing as seeing Israelis as a monolithic thing in any broader sense.

    2. Israel is not the same concept as judaism, one is a country the other a religion, so no what you accuse me of saying would be a toxic generalization of a nation's populace and conflation of it with a nation's government, not antisemitism, neither of which I am doing for the record.

    How many damn times does someone have to make point 2 to you before you stop talking and listen?

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