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ICE's 'Frightening' Facial Recognition App is Scanning US Citizens Without Their Consent (www.commondreams.org)
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[–] -3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Have you seen an instance where a citizen or legal immigrant calmly asked for name and badge number and was refused?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yes I have. There are only videos of people asking for badge numbers without getting a response. There are none where a badge number is given.

    My point was that we need to see their faces because they will not identify themselves. Thats a big problem if we ever pull ourselves out of this; they will attempt to rejoin society like nothing happdened after illegally brutalizing american citizens. We need to know who the traitors are.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There are only videos of people asking for badge numbers without getting a response.

    Are these suspects or protestors? Because the videos I've seen are protestors. Police must reveal their identity to suspects due to the fourth amendment, but not to the general public.

    My point is suspects have a right to know who their accusers are. Whether they share that with others (and they should) is up to them. Having the public know their identities just opens them up to vigilante justice, having suspect know their identities keeps them accountable to the rule of law.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Both. But if you're "arresting" a protester haven't they become a defacto suspect? Or are they arresting protesters for other reasons?

    All other law enforcment in america is maskless. Why would ICE need special protections from vigilate justice?

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    But if you’re “arresting” a protester haven’t they become a defacto suspect?

    Yes, if you're detained or arrested, you have the right to know the name and badge number of the person detaining or arresting you.

    The videos I've seen aren't that, they're merely protesters asking on behalf of someone else. If there is a video where it's clear that someone being detained or arrested by police isn't given that information, then I'd be very interested because that would be a pretty clear-cut 4th amendment violation.

    All other law enforcment in america is maskless

    SWAT wears masks.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Sure but we'd need an unedited clip from the streets to the jail cell to prove they weren't provided that information. Plus how long after the arrest do they have?

    Seizing people off the street without an arrest warrant or probable cause is already a clear-cut 4th amendment violation. What do you do with that?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    First contact to detainment/arrest is sufficient, and police body cam footage is plenty.

    And unfortunately, police can legally detain you up to 48 hours without charging you. There are rules around this, but generally speaking, police have 24 hours to prove they had probable cause and turn the detention into an arrest, otherwise they must release you.

    So if police have probable cause to detain or arrest some people in a protest, they can detain far more until they can review footage to complete their investigation before deciding whether to arrest or release individuals.

    I'm mostly looking for a smoking gun here. We know ICE has incorrectly arrested citizens and legal immigrants, I want to know if they have broken the law in other ways too. Arresting the wrong person is one thing, denying due process is another thing entirely.

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