To be fair by 2010 they'd been owned by Ford for a decade and then in 2010 were sold to Geely, the Chinese parent company. From everything I hear, the quality actually has gone up under Geely, compared to Ford, which was easily the worst era of Volvo. Personally I still like RWD Volvo bricks, but of course they're not as safe or efficient as modern cars.

Look, I'll go out there and say it.

Cars are just an afterthought on the heater core. That's why it's called the heater CORE and also why you need to disassemble half the damn car to get to it.

Ha! 112k miles and still sticking. At this point, it’s like a streak milestone so I’m just seeing how long it goes and curious what the dealership reaction will be if I ever trade it in. Thus far no one in the service department has ever commented on it.

That's what I did, less than half the price for a car with 10k on the odometer

Maybe. Or I could be driving a one year old lease repo that the dealer pinky promises is good as new. I’d rather actually buy new and get the warranties and protections that come with it. Thankfully thus far, I have been in the financial position to be able to do so. I’m beyond the point in my life where I want to be driving the $600 K-car to save cash. Everyone has something that they think spending the extra money is worth it, for me, it’s having a nice car that lasts.

Plus, without people like me buying new stuff, you wouldn’t have those one year old cars to buy in the first place.

Yeah, he's an idiot.

Don't take financial advice from people who buy new cars.

I’m in Minnesota and we use salt also, although in recent years it’s been a lot more brine and pre-treatments before it snows rather than just dumping rock salt out like they used to, which has helped. Used to see rust in wheel wells and such all the time, but it’s much more rare these days.

If you buy a piece of equipment new and keep it for the expected lifespan of the machine, then you get to 'keep' the depreciation. Depreciation only matters if you plan on replacing the machine BEFORE the end of use life. And with things like cars, people often get rid of them long before the use life span is reached. And it's at that moment that the depreciation is a problem. I too, find it doubtful that hydrashock has kept multiple new cars long enough to personally use up the depreciation value of any one of those cars.

Example: That shiny new iPhone you bought took a depreciation hit the moment you paid for it. And when you trade it off when the next new model comes out you pay the cost of that depreciation through the trade in value. Had you kept your phone until it no longer worked before you replaced it, you would have recouped the cost of depreciation.

I used to think like you, but then my time became worth money. It's no longer such a clear cut case.

If I spent even 100 hours a year working on my car, that's now several thousand euros. More than a year's worth of lease payments on a brand new budget vehicle or (and this is my preference) a 3 year old executive car. And at the end of the lease I have the option to buy it for what's likely significantly under market value and then either keep driving it, or sell it immediately to recoup some of the depreciation.

Then consider that with the new vehicle you can get full coverage insurance which isn't even available on a 20 year old vehicle (and full coverage gives you peace of mind that if YOU fuck up or an animal fucks your car up, you get the residual value back). This occurred to me when my friend's old, around 1000 euros worth car slipped into a ditch in the winter. Its value just dropped by half and there's nothing to do about it. If it'd been their significantly newer car, it would've been a 350 euro copay to get it repaired or totalled and paid out. My car at the time was worth around 3k and if I'd totaled it by either driving into a ditch in the winter or hit a moose, I would've been out of a car and out of money. My next car after that was a lease and if something would've happened to it, insurance would've made me whole. In fact I got a brand new OEM Mercedes windscreen fitted for free, no copay since it's usually 0% for windows. That alone was worth over a year of insurance payments.

Currently I'm back to driving a shitbox. Nice car attracted gold digger, gold digger ruined finances, now I'm living as cheaply as possible. But the shitbox life is not great either - I'm going to have to either change the transmission on mine to keep it going another few years, or sell it for a loss compared to what I paid for it just 5 months ago. This is after I've already done brakes, belts and some electrical work. Sunk cost fallacy becomes way too real way too quickly on cheap used cars.

I dunno. I bought a Honda new twice. Once showed up on the city bus and negotiated them down to a nothing down & low monthly payment that I could manage for 5 years (I am an accountant and first built a spreadsheet with present value calculations to figure out my target price) car is built to last 20 at least, I paid it off easily enough, then someone ran a stop sign and absolutely smashed it to bits, I took the insurance money as a down payment and got a better car new, same low monthly, paid that off years ago and have been driving it since 2014. This was mostly possible because Honda did a zero or 1% loan both times. Used to buy beaters but this has been so much nicer, and it's easier on cash flow. I hope I can keep this one for as long as I need a car (mostly use the electric bike now) because it has all the tech I want but none of the tech I don't want. Like at this point if I won the lottery I still don't know if I'd want a car of today.

New car at today's prices, and what they are, I kind of agree with you but used cars at today's prices seem just as bad of a deal. And it was not always like this. You used to be able to negotiate, they had too much inventory.

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