▲ 542 ▼ Trump refuses to meet ‘Radical Left Democrats’ Schumer and Jeffries to avert shutdown (www.independent.co.uk) submitted 10 months ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to c/news@lemmy.world 148 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 27 points 10 months ago (2 children) You mean by stopping Walz from calling Republicans "weird?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -24 points 10 months ago (5 children) Bush II was called a fascist FFS. Back when we still had a court that didn't believe the president was a king actually and congress would at least occasionally push back on the executive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 40 points 10 months ago (2 children) Bush 2 was a fascist. Stealing the 2000 election, and constructing this whole extrajudicial framework with ICE and Guantanamo and whatnot, very directly laid the groundwork for what's happening right now. Trump is only able to direct a law enforcement agency to wander the land executing his will without having to convince anyone whose allegiance is to the law instead of their orders, because George Bush set it up for him in the first place. Right-wing media at the time getting in on defining a fantastical narrative under which they could direct the anger of their followers at "enemies," Bush saying that atheists shouldn't be considered citizens... it was all there. It was just new, so it was just getting started, it couldn't have much impact and the country resisted a lot of it. Trump is more fascist than Bush was. But the people who were seeing the first little seeds of something that could grow into something horrifying, all the way back then, were 100% right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago People were saying to anyone who would listen that Guantanamo was going to lead exactly where we are today. The sane washing as we call it now goes back so far. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago Let’s not forget who came after W. Those who could have undone the damage but only cemented it further and built it up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 15 points 10 months ago You hear harsh words and assume they must be hyperbole without trying to determine the truth. The truth is there have been fascist elements in US government for its entire history which have waxed and waned over time; it was waxing under Bush II and now it's a full moon. When people warned about fascism you say they were being unreasonable, even though you seem to acknowledge that Trump really is fascist, vindicating their warnings. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago Just because Dubya wasn't given the freedom to exact fascism, doesn't mean The Decider didn't want it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago Ah yes, Bush, the paragon of antifascism This comment was satire, right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 10 months ago I'm not gonna go into detail because PhilipTheBucket already did that, but: Yeah, the court only stole the election for him. permalink fedilink source parent [+] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -25 points 10 months ago (4 children) You notice how things went from "Oh we just call them weird" to full-on "THEY'RE FASCISTS" in like 0 seconds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 22 points 10 months ago For the record, the "weird" meme was years after their rhetoric was deemed objectively fascist by every historical expert on the subject. It wasn't hyperbole, only people saying, "it can't happen here, that's a slippery slope argument". And now here we are: SCOTUS-approved racial profiling, concentration camps, disappearing, FCC openly stifling free speech, open attack on sec 230, a budget to benefit oligarchs, pay2win tariffs, rule-by-executive-order. Trump now considers it an act of terrorism to say you are anti-fascism. To still bend over backwards to say "both sides" at this point is absolutely wild to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 14 points 10 months ago It was probably because Trump was talking and is now acting, like a fascist. Hell, he's got a card carrying, open neonazi in his cabinet, that he picked. Twice. Ie, Gorka. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago What would you call the current state of the GOP right now if not fascism? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soulg@ani.social 4 points 10 months ago They are literally definitionally fascist though? What the fuck do you expect? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -24 points 10 months ago (5 children) Bush II was called a fascist FFS. Back when we still had a court that didn't believe the president was a king actually and congress would at least occasionally push back on the executive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 40 points 10 months ago (2 children) Bush 2 was a fascist. Stealing the 2000 election, and constructing this whole extrajudicial framework with ICE and Guantanamo and whatnot, very directly laid the groundwork for what's happening right now. Trump is only able to direct a law enforcement agency to wander the land executing his will without having to convince anyone whose allegiance is to the law instead of their orders, because George Bush set it up for him in the first place. Right-wing media at the time getting in on defining a fantastical narrative under which they could direct the anger of their followers at "enemies," Bush saying that atheists shouldn't be considered citizens... it was all there. It was just new, so it was just getting started, it couldn't have much impact and the country resisted a lot of it. Trump is more fascist than Bush was. But the people who were seeing the first little seeds of something that could grow into something horrifying, all the way back then, were 100% right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago People were saying to anyone who would listen that Guantanamo was going to lead exactly where we are today. The sane washing as we call it now goes back so far. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago Let’s not forget who came after W. Those who could have undone the damage but only cemented it further and built it up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 15 points 10 months ago You hear harsh words and assume they must be hyperbole without trying to determine the truth. The truth is there have been fascist elements in US government for its entire history which have waxed and waned over time; it was waxing under Bush II and now it's a full moon. When people warned about fascism you say they were being unreasonable, even though you seem to acknowledge that Trump really is fascist, vindicating their warnings. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago Just because Dubya wasn't given the freedom to exact fascism, doesn't mean The Decider didn't want it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago Ah yes, Bush, the paragon of antifascism This comment was satire, right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 10 months ago I'm not gonna go into detail because PhilipTheBucket already did that, but: Yeah, the court only stole the election for him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 40 points 10 months ago (2 children) Bush 2 was a fascist. Stealing the 2000 election, and constructing this whole extrajudicial framework with ICE and Guantanamo and whatnot, very directly laid the groundwork for what's happening right now. Trump is only able to direct a law enforcement agency to wander the land executing his will without having to convince anyone whose allegiance is to the law instead of their orders, because George Bush set it up for him in the first place. Right-wing media at the time getting in on defining a fantastical narrative under which they could direct the anger of their followers at "enemies," Bush saying that atheists shouldn't be considered citizens... it was all there. It was just new, so it was just getting started, it couldn't have much impact and the country resisted a lot of it. Trump is more fascist than Bush was. But the people who were seeing the first little seeds of something that could grow into something horrifying, all the way back then, were 100% right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago People were saying to anyone who would listen that Guantanamo was going to lead exactly where we are today. The sane washing as we call it now goes back so far. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago Let’s not forget who came after W. Those who could have undone the damage but only cemented it further and built it up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago People were saying to anyone who would listen that Guantanamo was going to lead exactly where we are today. The sane washing as we call it now goes back so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago Let’s not forget who came after W. Those who could have undone the damage but only cemented it further and built it up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 15 points 10 months ago You hear harsh words and assume they must be hyperbole without trying to determine the truth. The truth is there have been fascist elements in US government for its entire history which have waxed and waned over time; it was waxing under Bush II and now it's a full moon. When people warned about fascism you say they were being unreasonable, even though you seem to acknowledge that Trump really is fascist, vindicating their warnings. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago Just because Dubya wasn't given the freedom to exact fascism, doesn't mean The Decider didn't want it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago Ah yes, Bush, the paragon of antifascism This comment was satire, right? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 10 months ago I'm not gonna go into detail because PhilipTheBucket already did that, but: Yeah, the court only stole the election for him. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -25 points 10 months ago (4 children) You notice how things went from "Oh we just call them weird" to full-on "THEY'RE FASCISTS" in like 0 seconds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 22 points 10 months ago For the record, the "weird" meme was years after their rhetoric was deemed objectively fascist by every historical expert on the subject. It wasn't hyperbole, only people saying, "it can't happen here, that's a slippery slope argument". And now here we are: SCOTUS-approved racial profiling, concentration camps, disappearing, FCC openly stifling free speech, open attack on sec 230, a budget to benefit oligarchs, pay2win tariffs, rule-by-executive-order. Trump now considers it an act of terrorism to say you are anti-fascism. To still bend over backwards to say "both sides" at this point is absolutely wild to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 14 points 10 months ago It was probably because Trump was talking and is now acting, like a fascist. Hell, he's got a card carrying, open neonazi in his cabinet, that he picked. Twice. Ie, Gorka. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago What would you call the current state of the GOP right now if not fascism? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soulg@ani.social 4 points 10 months ago They are literally definitionally fascist though? What the fuck do you expect? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 22 points 10 months ago For the record, the "weird" meme was years after their rhetoric was deemed objectively fascist by every historical expert on the subject. It wasn't hyperbole, only people saying, "it can't happen here, that's a slippery slope argument". And now here we are: SCOTUS-approved racial profiling, concentration camps, disappearing, FCC openly stifling free speech, open attack on sec 230, a budget to benefit oligarchs, pay2win tariffs, rule-by-executive-order. Trump now considers it an act of terrorism to say you are anti-fascism. To still bend over backwards to say "both sides" at this point is absolutely wild to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 14 points 10 months ago It was probably because Trump was talking and is now acting, like a fascist. Hell, he's got a card carrying, open neonazi in his cabinet, that he picked. Twice. Ie, Gorka. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago What would you call the current state of the GOP right now if not fascism? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soulg@ani.social 4 points 10 months ago They are literally definitionally fascist though? What the fuck do you expect? permalink fedilink source parent