▲ 542 ▼ Trump refuses to meet ‘Radical Left Democrats’ Schumer and Jeffries to avert shutdown (www.independent.co.uk) submitted 10 months ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to c/news@lemmy.world 148 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 117 points 10 months ago (5 children) Democrats need to let the shutdown happen but im almost positive they'll just give the fascist everything he wants instead. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago (2 children) Schumer et al: "best we can do is write some sternly worded letters" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago* "Send us money to keep first past the post voting safe and the two party system intact!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago (1 child) This is offensive. They also had signs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago Ah yes I almost forgot about those ping pong paddles..... permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 child) They need to shut it down AND call for a nationwide general strike. And then we don’t stop until every Republican has been removed from government, gerrymandering has been outlawed and fixed, and RCV is the law of the land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 10 months ago Seriously. That's what's lacking from nearly all Democratic politicians. They don't want to lead, they just want resistance to materialize externally, do some tone policing, and then take credit for any successes. When you're systematically powerless, you should be building your power to impact the system from external sources. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* They're going to let the shutdown happen but they're not going to point the blame where it needs to go. They're going to be spineless and let the Republicans blame them for the shutdown. They absolutely have to shut it down. That said, if they lose the messaging game (they will) they will absolutely lose this fight. permalink fedilink source parent [–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) That's exactly what Republicans want. They've already proven previously that the people don't actually care about a shutdown occurring. And that just lets t hem further reduce government expenses. The things that get shutdown are things they can't grift from anyway so they don't care about them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 child) It's a lose/lose, but at this point the fascist-controlled agencies are actively working against their intended purposes, so losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child) losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil. Standards are low. We can easily do better if we break these legacy political parties duoopoly on the electoral system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* Okay, but that's not going to happen by October or whenever the funding deadline is. You gotta have a plan that's actually actionable in the short term, or else you're just indulging in pointless wankery. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tomenzgg@midwest.social -4 points 10 months ago Shutting it down would be giving him what he wants: expanded powers and no one to answer to (because the government is shut down). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago (2 children) Schumer et al: "best we can do is write some sternly worded letters" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago* "Send us money to keep first past the post voting safe and the two party system intact!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago (1 child) This is offensive. They also had signs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago Ah yes I almost forgot about those ping pong paddles..... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago* "Send us money to keep first past the post voting safe and the two party system intact!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago (1 child) This is offensive. They also had signs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago Ah yes I almost forgot about those ping pong paddles..... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago Ah yes I almost forgot about those ping pong paddles..... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 child) They need to shut it down AND call for a nationwide general strike. And then we don’t stop until every Republican has been removed from government, gerrymandering has been outlawed and fixed, and RCV is the law of the land. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 10 months ago Seriously. That's what's lacking from nearly all Democratic politicians. They don't want to lead, they just want resistance to materialize externally, do some tone policing, and then take credit for any successes. When you're systematically powerless, you should be building your power to impact the system from external sources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 10 months ago Seriously. That's what's lacking from nearly all Democratic politicians. They don't want to lead, they just want resistance to materialize externally, do some tone policing, and then take credit for any successes. When you're systematically powerless, you should be building your power to impact the system from external sources. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* They're going to let the shutdown happen but they're not going to point the blame where it needs to go. They're going to be spineless and let the Republicans blame them for the shutdown. They absolutely have to shut it down. That said, if they lose the messaging game (they will) they will absolutely lose this fight. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) That's exactly what Republicans want. They've already proven previously that the people don't actually care about a shutdown occurring. And that just lets t hem further reduce government expenses. The things that get shutdown are things they can't grift from anyway so they don't care about them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 child) It's a lose/lose, but at this point the fascist-controlled agencies are actively working against their intended purposes, so losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child) losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil. Standards are low. We can easily do better if we break these legacy political parties duoopoly on the electoral system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* Okay, but that's not going to happen by October or whenever the funding deadline is. You gotta have a plan that's actually actionable in the short term, or else you're just indulging in pointless wankery. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 child) It's a lose/lose, but at this point the fascist-controlled agencies are actively working against their intended purposes, so losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child) losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil. Standards are low. We can easily do better if we break these legacy political parties duoopoly on the electoral system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* Okay, but that's not going to happen by October or whenever the funding deadline is. You gotta have a plan that's actually actionable in the short term, or else you're just indulging in pointless wankery. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child) losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil. Standards are low. We can easily do better if we break these legacy political parties duoopoly on the electoral system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* Okay, but that's not going to happen by October or whenever the funding deadline is. You gotta have a plan that's actually actionable in the short term, or else you're just indulging in pointless wankery. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* Okay, but that's not going to happen by October or whenever the funding deadline is. You gotta have a plan that's actually actionable in the short term, or else you're just indulging in pointless wankery. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social -4 points 10 months ago Shutting it down would be giving him what he wants: expanded powers and no one to answer to (because the government is shut down). permalink fedilink source parent