▲ 542 ▼ Trump refuses to meet ‘Radical Left Democrats’ Schumer and Jeffries to avert shutdown (www.independent.co.uk) submitted 10 months ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to c/news@lemmy.world 148 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 40 points 10 months ago (3 children) Likely will try and pull some 'because congress is absent' emergency rule bullshit to grab for full dictator powers. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Triumph@fedia.io 29 points 10 months ago The other subtext is coloring Schumer and Jeffries as terrorists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 child) More evidence for the next Nuremberg trials. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 36 points 10 months ago* (2 children) Nuremberg trials happened because an alliance of antifascist countries fought hard at great cost to take the fascists down with the help of organized resistance inside. Today we don't seem to have any of the prerequisites. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 13 points 10 months ago There are precedents from a few different countries that fought to overthrow a tyrannical government and then had to sort out how to deal with recovering and rebuilding their politics and society in whatever form. Chile, Argentina, South Africa, or Ukraine might be better models than postwar Germany. There is also this: https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/126900/8008_FDTD.pdf which is based on absolutely exhaustive real world research about what does and doesn't work, and is highly regarded in a ton of activist communities outside the US (and for some reason almost unknown inside it.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago Imagine invading the Americas. Hope you got allies in canada, central and or south America to establish a beachhead (assuming they havent been occupied). D day only had to cross the channel and it was a immense effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (1 child) They're going to do all that that anyway. Trying to argue that we should give them what they want because they might do bad things otherwise is a quite absurd position considering all the terrible and illegal things they've done already and helping them in their pursuits is exactly what the Democrats have been doing this entire time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Hadn't said anyone should give them what they want, but I see them using as a pretext to try a power grab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Giving them what they want is implicit to preemptively backing down from a fight. If these legislators aren't actively opposing them, then they're giving them what they want. As I said, they'll invent pretexts wherever they feel like. Some white Morman kid shot Charlie Kirk and theyre blaming trans people, Jimmy Kimmel, and antifa for it for example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Triumph@fedia.io 29 points 10 months ago The other subtext is coloring Schumer and Jeffries as terrorists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 child) More evidence for the next Nuremberg trials. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 36 points 10 months ago* (2 children) Nuremberg trials happened because an alliance of antifascist countries fought hard at great cost to take the fascists down with the help of organized resistance inside. Today we don't seem to have any of the prerequisites. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 13 points 10 months ago There are precedents from a few different countries that fought to overthrow a tyrannical government and then had to sort out how to deal with recovering and rebuilding their politics and society in whatever form. Chile, Argentina, South Africa, or Ukraine might be better models than postwar Germany. There is also this: https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/126900/8008_FDTD.pdf which is based on absolutely exhaustive real world research about what does and doesn't work, and is highly regarded in a ton of activist communities outside the US (and for some reason almost unknown inside it.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago Imagine invading the Americas. Hope you got allies in canada, central and or south America to establish a beachhead (assuming they havent been occupied). D day only had to cross the channel and it was a immense effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 36 points 10 months ago* (2 children) Nuremberg trials happened because an alliance of antifascist countries fought hard at great cost to take the fascists down with the help of organized resistance inside. Today we don't seem to have any of the prerequisites. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 13 points 10 months ago There are precedents from a few different countries that fought to overthrow a tyrannical government and then had to sort out how to deal with recovering and rebuilding their politics and society in whatever form. Chile, Argentina, South Africa, or Ukraine might be better models than postwar Germany. There is also this: https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/126900/8008_FDTD.pdf which is based on absolutely exhaustive real world research about what does and doesn't work, and is highly regarded in a ton of activist communities outside the US (and for some reason almost unknown inside it.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago Imagine invading the Americas. Hope you got allies in canada, central and or south America to establish a beachhead (assuming they havent been occupied). D day only had to cross the channel and it was a immense effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 13 points 10 months ago There are precedents from a few different countries that fought to overthrow a tyrannical government and then had to sort out how to deal with recovering and rebuilding their politics and society in whatever form. Chile, Argentina, South Africa, or Ukraine might be better models than postwar Germany. There is also this: https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/126900/8008_FDTD.pdf which is based on absolutely exhaustive real world research about what does and doesn't work, and is highly regarded in a ton of activist communities outside the US (and for some reason almost unknown inside it.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago Imagine invading the Americas. Hope you got allies in canada, central and or south America to establish a beachhead (assuming they havent been occupied). D day only had to cross the channel and it was a immense effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (1 child) They're going to do all that that anyway. Trying to argue that we should give them what they want because they might do bad things otherwise is a quite absurd position considering all the terrible and illegal things they've done already and helping them in their pursuits is exactly what the Democrats have been doing this entire time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Hadn't said anyone should give them what they want, but I see them using as a pretext to try a power grab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Giving them what they want is implicit to preemptively backing down from a fight. If these legislators aren't actively opposing them, then they're giving them what they want. As I said, they'll invent pretexts wherever they feel like. Some white Morman kid shot Charlie Kirk and theyre blaming trans people, Jimmy Kimmel, and antifa for it for example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Hadn't said anyone should give them what they want, but I see them using as a pretext to try a power grab. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Giving them what they want is implicit to preemptively backing down from a fight. If these legislators aren't actively opposing them, then they're giving them what they want. As I said, they'll invent pretexts wherever they feel like. Some white Morman kid shot Charlie Kirk and theyre blaming trans people, Jimmy Kimmel, and antifa for it for example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Giving them what they want is implicit to preemptively backing down from a fight. If these legislators aren't actively opposing them, then they're giving them what they want. As I said, they'll invent pretexts wherever they feel like. Some white Morman kid shot Charlie Kirk and theyre blaming trans people, Jimmy Kimmel, and antifa for it for example. permalink fedilink source parent