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[–] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

There's a fact that a lot of people commenting here are overlooking. Marx himself admitted that in the lower stage of communism, wages will have to exist until people's mindset on labor changes. It's simply not true that communism will not work because 'people don't like working'.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Not really? Organization around mutual aid exemplifies time and time again people's willingness to do all kinds of labor without pay as well as capital's antagonistic response to the act.

    Wages only have to exist until people are provided an alternative means of well being and self empowerment. That they can observe the value of labor is intrinsically tied to survival and well being, rather than extrinsically and arbitrarily.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Yep, every existing socialist society past and present requires labor, and paid for it. We can't jump from A to Z, we have to build socialism and build communism, and we have to continue developing. Wage labor as the sole motivator for labor in society is something that gets phased out as work becomes more for satisfying needs than profits for the few.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Also, in the higher stage of communism, labor that is necessary but not preferred — cleaning the sewers, for example — could be done in turn.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Fuck I’d be happy to clean sewers if I had a stable high quality of life and I knew that my work was directly contributing to the community and its health. (In fact, most sanitation workers currently have that perspective - sanitation work is care work, and something to be very proud of).

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