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Lemmy users are like (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/memes@lemmy.ml
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We're the good guys, they're the bad guys. Isn't it?

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[–] 43 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Whenever someone posts this sort of vague "people aren't tolerating my ideas" post, nine-times-outta-ten, the ideas in question are just awful.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    10/10 times somebody seethes at the idea of merely listening to ideas that they might dislike or disagree with is some extremist whacko who gets all their information from a heavily vetted and censored echo chambers.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Which ideas? Be specific :)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It literally doesn't matter. Blocking yourself off from any ideas, no matter how tame or how extreme is something that's both sad and dangerous. Willful ignorance is a poison. It's not a sign of purity or strength, it's a sign of fear and weakness.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    Nah, sod off. We've fought wars over some of these "ideas". We don't need to rehash them until the end of time. We hear more diverse ideas from the diverse people who are allowed to thrive by removing a tiny handful of bigoted opinions.

    Why do you want to silence those diverse people and their varied opinions? Are you scared of their ideas? Are you a weak little coward?

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    1. Biden's a good president

    2. I like cars

    3. Food isn't expensive if you buy chicken/pork on sale

    4. Corpo greed / cost cutting / layoffs is driven by ruthless consumer demand for cheaper products over all else. Rather than pointing to faceless organizations looking for a boogieman, people should look in a mirror.

    5. Elections are won by voting

    On some self reflection, #3 and #4 is pretty closely related. Something something no margin for small farmers I think. Ah well, everyone's a hypocrite - including me.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (1 child)
    1. Subjective. But he's not the worst.
    2. Liking cars is one thing, but we should not be designing our lives around cars. The more we cater for cars, the worse our living conditions get. The more we treat cars as the primary and required method of transport, the worse our society becomes.
    3. And 4. Individual action alone is simply just ineffective at solving the problems. Focusing on individuals rather than systemic change is the same as doing nothing. If we want to change behaviour, we have to change incentives.
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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm saying "individual" action is the problem. When an "individual" buys bottled water, or buys some cheap shit from Temu which will break in 2 days, or throws cardboard in the trash instead of recycling, everything becomes just a little bit worse.

    It's not an individual. Every time you see that word, you can safely multiply it by a couple hundred million and see the actual almost-daily effect of what an "individual" does. A billionaire flying one leg of a private flight 10 miles? Who fucking cares compared to the bigger picture?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Whenever I see conversations like this, I have to wonder, what is your goal? Are you trying to solve the problem? Or are you trying to find someone to blame?

    Because if it's the latter, then go ahead blame individuals all you like. It's overly simplistic and ignores the fact that people's behaviour is shaped by the systems they live under. It's also completely and utterly useless at actually solving the problem. But by all means, you can waste your time as much as you like, just don't expect people who actually want to affect change to waste their time humouring such stupidity.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not sure if you're actually trying to understand what I wrote, but I'm not trying to find someone to blame - I've already found them. I'm not trying to effect change - I'd become a politician or teacher if I wanted to do that. These are just observations.

    And it's interesting that "people who actually want to affect change" wouldn't want to try to tackle the actual problems. I guess it's easier to point to single-target big bad entities rather than a more vague entity like....everyone. Also it is easier to pretend people don't have agency, isn't it?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m not trying to find someone to blame - I’ve already found them.

    ... Please consider being a serious person.

    And it’s interesting that “people who actually want to affect change” wouldn’t want to try to tackle the actual problems.

    Wagging your finger at individuals is never, ever going to solve the problem.

    Identifying systemic changes, and advocating for them politically, will.

    I guess it’s easier to point to single-target big bad entities rather than a more vague entity like…everyone.

    Again. You are focusing on blame and pointing fingers. Nobody cares who you want to blame.

    Also it is easier to pretend people don’t have agency, isn’t it?

    Nowhere has I said that people don't have agency. I said that people's behaviour is shaped by the systems they live under, which is a trivially true observation.

    So if we want to effect change on a scale large enough to actually make a difference, we will focus on systemic changes.

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