▲ 798 ▼ The Quiet Revolution: GNU/Linux Crosses 6% Desktop Market Share—And It’s Just the Beginning (puri.sm) submitted 11 months ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/linux@programming.dev 207 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] chellomere@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 child) My condolences permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (2 children) Fun fact: if you have a Steam Deck, Nix (the package manager) is pretty much the only vendor-approved way to safely install extra packages that aren't otherwise available as a flatpak. Trying to screw with overlayfs to make pacman usable is/was a thing, and it was a very good way to break the OS install despite it having atomic updates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) Fun fact: SteamOS comes pre-loaded with Distrobox so you can install whatever packages you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) That's new. Always good to see them add more ways to customize it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago I think it has been a feature since around 6 months after launch of the Steam Deck but it's not well known and widely used feature. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Does Steam Deck not have rpm-ostree (or an arch equivalent since RPM is fedora-specific)? Needs "pac-ostree" or something... Also, what about distrobox? I haven't really tried to do anything package manager-related on my Deck, so I'm going on what I know from Bazzite, but there are several ways to install non-flatpak software on it. In fact, I even installed yay on an Arch distrobox, and I can install things from the AUR (as well as the official repositories). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Does Steam Deck not have rpm-ostree (or an arch equivalent since RPM is fedora-specific)? Steam Deck has a custom solution involving an A/B partition scheme of immutable btrfs filesystems and overlayfs for layering changes on top of that. Also, what about distrobox? If there's a way to install containerization software with Flatpak, maybe. Docker isn't available out of the box, though. I haven't really tried to do anything package manager-related on my Deck, so I'm going on what I know from Bazzite, but there are several ways to install non-flatpak software on it. In fact, I even installed yay on an Arch distrobox, and I can install things from the AUR (as well as the official repositories). You can use pacman, but it's volatile and requires making intentional changes to restore its functionality. The first option is to disable the read-only flag on the root filesystem, then set pacman back up so it can pull packages. Whenever the root filesystem image is updated, you'll lose the changes, though. The second option is to add an overlayfs to persist the changes in a different partition or inside a disk image on the writable storage. There was a tool called "rwfus" that did this, and it worked well enough if you were careful. If you ended up upgrading a package that came installed on the base image, though, it would end up breaking the install when the next update came around. With all the caveats, when Valve made /nix available as a persistent overlay a couple of years ago, I just bit the bullet and learned how to use Nix to install packages with nix-env -i. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Huh, interesting. Thanks for the info Distrobox works really well in Bazzite, in fact I'm currently typing this comment in LibreWolf in a Fedora toolbox because I was getting a weird lag with the flatpak version. You wouldn't even know if you didn't set it up yourself, since it's just an icon on my launcher like any other program. No noticeable overhead whatsoever either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) SteamOS also ships distrobox OOTB now, so you can use this anywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago Awesome permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (2 children) Fun fact: if you have a Steam Deck, Nix (the package manager) is pretty much the only vendor-approved way to safely install extra packages that aren't otherwise available as a flatpak. Trying to screw with overlayfs to make pacman usable is/was a thing, and it was a very good way to break the OS install despite it having atomic updates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) Fun fact: SteamOS comes pre-loaded with Distrobox so you can install whatever packages you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) That's new. Always good to see them add more ways to customize it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago I think it has been a feature since around 6 months after launch of the Steam Deck but it's not well known and widely used feature. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Does Steam Deck not have rpm-ostree (or an arch equivalent since RPM is fedora-specific)? Needs "pac-ostree" or something... Also, what about distrobox? I haven't really tried to do anything package manager-related on my Deck, so I'm going on what I know from Bazzite, but there are several ways to install non-flatpak software on it. In fact, I even installed yay on an Arch distrobox, and I can install things from the AUR (as well as the official repositories). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Does Steam Deck not have rpm-ostree (or an arch equivalent since RPM is fedora-specific)? Steam Deck has a custom solution involving an A/B partition scheme of immutable btrfs filesystems and overlayfs for layering changes on top of that. Also, what about distrobox? If there's a way to install containerization software with Flatpak, maybe. Docker isn't available out of the box, though. I haven't really tried to do anything package manager-related on my Deck, so I'm going on what I know from Bazzite, but there are several ways to install non-flatpak software on it. In fact, I even installed yay on an Arch distrobox, and I can install things from the AUR (as well as the official repositories). You can use pacman, but it's volatile and requires making intentional changes to restore its functionality. The first option is to disable the read-only flag on the root filesystem, then set pacman back up so it can pull packages. Whenever the root filesystem image is updated, you'll lose the changes, though. The second option is to add an overlayfs to persist the changes in a different partition or inside a disk image on the writable storage. There was a tool called "rwfus" that did this, and it worked well enough if you were careful. If you ended up upgrading a package that came installed on the base image, though, it would end up breaking the install when the next update came around. With all the caveats, when Valve made /nix available as a persistent overlay a couple of years ago, I just bit the bullet and learned how to use Nix to install packages with nix-env -i. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Huh, interesting. Thanks for the info Distrobox works really well in Bazzite, in fact I'm currently typing this comment in LibreWolf in a Fedora toolbox because I was getting a weird lag with the flatpak version. You wouldn't even know if you didn't set it up yourself, since it's just an icon on my launcher like any other program. No noticeable overhead whatsoever either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) SteamOS also ships distrobox OOTB now, so you can use this anywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago Awesome permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) Fun fact: SteamOS comes pre-loaded with Distrobox so you can install whatever packages you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) That's new. Always good to see them add more ways to customize it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago I think it has been a feature since around 6 months after launch of the Steam Deck but it's not well known and widely used feature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) That's new. Always good to see them add more ways to customize it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago I think it has been a feature since around 6 months after launch of the Steam Deck but it's not well known and widely used feature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago I think it has been a feature since around 6 months after launch of the Steam Deck but it's not well known and widely used feature. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Does Steam Deck not have rpm-ostree (or an arch equivalent since RPM is fedora-specific)? Needs "pac-ostree" or something... Also, what about distrobox? I haven't really tried to do anything package manager-related on my Deck, so I'm going on what I know from Bazzite, but there are several ways to install non-flatpak software on it. In fact, I even installed yay on an Arch distrobox, and I can install things from the AUR (as well as the official repositories). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Does Steam Deck not have rpm-ostree (or an arch equivalent since RPM is fedora-specific)? Steam Deck has a custom solution involving an A/B partition scheme of immutable btrfs filesystems and overlayfs for layering changes on top of that. Also, what about distrobox? If there's a way to install containerization software with Flatpak, maybe. Docker isn't available out of the box, though. I haven't really tried to do anything package manager-related on my Deck, so I'm going on what I know from Bazzite, but there are several ways to install non-flatpak software on it. In fact, I even installed yay on an Arch distrobox, and I can install things from the AUR (as well as the official repositories). You can use pacman, but it's volatile and requires making intentional changes to restore its functionality. The first option is to disable the read-only flag on the root filesystem, then set pacman back up so it can pull packages. Whenever the root filesystem image is updated, you'll lose the changes, though. The second option is to add an overlayfs to persist the changes in a different partition or inside a disk image on the writable storage. There was a tool called "rwfus" that did this, and it worked well enough if you were careful. If you ended up upgrading a package that came installed on the base image, though, it would end up breaking the install when the next update came around. With all the caveats, when Valve made /nix available as a persistent overlay a couple of years ago, I just bit the bullet and learned how to use Nix to install packages with nix-env -i. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Huh, interesting. Thanks for the info Distrobox works really well in Bazzite, in fact I'm currently typing this comment in LibreWolf in a Fedora toolbox because I was getting a weird lag with the flatpak version. You wouldn't even know if you didn't set it up yourself, since it's just an icon on my launcher like any other program. No noticeable overhead whatsoever either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) SteamOS also ships distrobox OOTB now, so you can use this anywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago Awesome permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Does Steam Deck not have rpm-ostree (or an arch equivalent since RPM is fedora-specific)? Steam Deck has a custom solution involving an A/B partition scheme of immutable btrfs filesystems and overlayfs for layering changes on top of that. Also, what about distrobox? If there's a way to install containerization software with Flatpak, maybe. Docker isn't available out of the box, though. I haven't really tried to do anything package manager-related on my Deck, so I'm going on what I know from Bazzite, but there are several ways to install non-flatpak software on it. In fact, I even installed yay on an Arch distrobox, and I can install things from the AUR (as well as the official repositories). You can use pacman, but it's volatile and requires making intentional changes to restore its functionality. The first option is to disable the read-only flag on the root filesystem, then set pacman back up so it can pull packages. Whenever the root filesystem image is updated, you'll lose the changes, though. The second option is to add an overlayfs to persist the changes in a different partition or inside a disk image on the writable storage. There was a tool called "rwfus" that did this, and it worked well enough if you were careful. If you ended up upgrading a package that came installed on the base image, though, it would end up breaking the install when the next update came around. With all the caveats, when Valve made /nix available as a persistent overlay a couple of years ago, I just bit the bullet and learned how to use Nix to install packages with nix-env -i. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Huh, interesting. Thanks for the info Distrobox works really well in Bazzite, in fact I'm currently typing this comment in LibreWolf in a Fedora toolbox because I was getting a weird lag with the flatpak version. You wouldn't even know if you didn't set it up yourself, since it's just an icon on my launcher like any other program. No noticeable overhead whatsoever either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) SteamOS also ships distrobox OOTB now, so you can use this anywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago Awesome permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago* (1 child) Huh, interesting. Thanks for the info Distrobox works really well in Bazzite, in fact I'm currently typing this comment in LibreWolf in a Fedora toolbox because I was getting a weird lag with the flatpak version. You wouldn't even know if you didn't set it up yourself, since it's just an icon on my launcher like any other program. No noticeable overhead whatsoever either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) SteamOS also ships distrobox OOTB now, so you can use this anywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago Awesome permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quarterlife@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) SteamOS also ships distrobox OOTB now, so you can use this anywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago Awesome permalink fedilink source parent