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[+] arankays@lemmy.ca 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (3 children) Just like Donny. You’ve got to be kidding me. I grew up in California during Newsom and Harris’ rise to power. As uninspiring as they are, this approach has highlighted Trump’s ridiculous communication style in a way that has not been challenged to date. We can dive into actual policy if you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (2 children) He's a transphobe that would gladly put homeless people in a woodchipper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (2 children) Agreed that sicking the cops on homeless people is bad policy, and doing that in response to a court ruling without plan to actually help people is egregious. Does seem like he took an opportunity to disguise a NIMBY directive behind a court ruling. Transphobe though? What he diverges on the specific issue of trans women/girls in gender protected sports divisions and we just have to throw out everything else he’s supported or signed laws for trans and gay rights in the last 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* He literally invited Charlie Kirk to his podcast and agreed with him about transgender ideology being a problem. That's clear cut transphobia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago The thing is Transpeople in Sports is a distraction and by humoring it as a real issue he is playing to the cons permalink fedilink source parent [+] arankays@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Nobody has challenged Trump's communication style before? Really?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 child) A sitting governor doing carbon copy satire of Trump’s exact style? No that has not been done before to my knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (2 children) Why in gods name would we need this? How is this helping? Can we not just be fucking serious for a second here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) Y'all were serious and Trump got elected via memes in 2016 lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Yes, 4chan was the swing vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 11 months ago The_donald tho. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago Because being a sane adult isn't a winning proposition since people who vote are also idiots? Trying to go high and be an adult has accomplished exactly dick in 10 years. permalink fedilink source parent [+] arankays@lemmy.ca -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) “The same as Donny” is the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago Something something California uber alles Nothing new exists... yeah Ronald Reagan is objectively worse than governer moonbeam but brown picked up the same mantle. Hypothetical example newsome runs for pres, wins and he paints the wall white but doesn't tear it down. Nah he's not an overt fascist, not the same as Donny in that way, but he is not an answer to fascism either. We need radical change permalink fedilink source parent [+] arankays@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] strung6387@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) I'd argue the opposite: satire and humor are the best way to get people on your side and motivated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago What's the joke here then? Cause it isn't funny. permalink fedilink source parent [+] danny801@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children) I would back a progressive candidate as hard as you can in the primary if possible. Newsom has a similar vibe problem as Harris where people outside of California don’t really know them or like them much. Personally I say fuck anyone from CA or NY (except AOC) we need a candidate from somewhere else more down to earth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] medgremlin@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) If the options in November 2028 come down to Newsom vs Trump (or whoever is his puppet), I'm still voting for Newsom. I won't be happy about it, but if we can't get a real progressive through the primaries, I'm still voting against the GOP and for the non-GOP candidate with the best chance of winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago If the dems think a conservative candidate win, they will ratfuck progressives again, which is how we got Trump both times. We need to make it absolutely clear that under no circumstances can the DNC let a conservative win the primary because they will lose the general. We did "yes, we know he sucks, but this is the most important election ever" with Biden, and he showed an entire generation that the dems are not an effective means to enacting positive social change, giving us back Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago Are there any progressives you are hoping will run? I'm not familiar with most politicians, would be helpful to know who's worth learning more about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soup@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 child) He platforms Charlie Kirk on his podcast, and his record for how he treats policy in relation to prisons is pretty shit. In 2022 he vetoed a bill that would end indefinite solitary confinement because, ya know, that makes sense. He’s a self-important loud-mouth who’s doing funny things in regards to attack Trump but absolutely is not what the US needs right now. They to yank that needle to the left and all they’re being offered is centrists and conservatives who don’t like to stir the pot even while fascism is fully present in their country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zonnewin@feddit.nl -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Be realistic. A leftist has no chance to get elected in the USA. A centrist is the best you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago Is that why Zohran Mamdani has been blowing every centrist in New York out of the water? permalink fedilink source parent [–] limer@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) I suppose Newsom may win the presidency in 2028, and then caretake the country while doing the minimum for 4 to 8 years. Just in time for another gop to win after that, and drive the USA to the brink of ruin even more than Trump Back and forth. Same pattern the last two decades or more permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) Thing is once Trump's gone the GOP will be in crisis. The movement is not about ideals but the man himself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) Fascist movements do not end when a leader goes. And while the gop will be splintered, they will coalesce, eventually, in time to elect someone we will curse in the 2030s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago Depends on when the leader dies and how the movement splinters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) Because Germany famously remained Nazis after Hitler killed himself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 1 point 11 months ago* There was that other thing at about the same time ..uhhh.. oh yes - losing the war..which may have had something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (3 children) Just like Donny. You’ve got to be kidding me. I grew up in California during Newsom and Harris’ rise to power. As uninspiring as they are, this approach has highlighted Trump’s ridiculous communication style in a way that has not been challenged to date. We can dive into actual policy if you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (2 children) He's a transphobe that would gladly put homeless people in a woodchipper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (2 children) Agreed that sicking the cops on homeless people is bad policy, and doing that in response to a court ruling without plan to actually help people is egregious. Does seem like he took an opportunity to disguise a NIMBY directive behind a court ruling. Transphobe though? What he diverges on the specific issue of trans women/girls in gender protected sports divisions and we just have to throw out everything else he’s supported or signed laws for trans and gay rights in the last 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* He literally invited Charlie Kirk to his podcast and agreed with him about transgender ideology being a problem. That's clear cut transphobia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago The thing is Transpeople in Sports is a distraction and by humoring it as a real issue he is playing to the cons permalink fedilink source parent [+] arankays@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Nobody has challenged Trump's communication style before? Really?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 child) A sitting governor doing carbon copy satire of Trump’s exact style? No that has not been done before to my knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (2 children) Why in gods name would we need this? How is this helping? Can we not just be fucking serious for a second here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) Y'all were serious and Trump got elected via memes in 2016 lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Yes, 4chan was the swing vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 11 months ago The_donald tho. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago Because being a sane adult isn't a winning proposition since people who vote are also idiots? Trying to go high and be an adult has accomplished exactly dick in 10 years. permalink fedilink source parent [+] arankays@lemmy.ca -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) “The same as Donny” is the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago Something something California uber alles Nothing new exists... yeah Ronald Reagan is objectively worse than governer moonbeam but brown picked up the same mantle. Hypothetical example newsome runs for pres, wins and he paints the wall white but doesn't tear it down. Nah he's not an overt fascist, not the same as Donny in that way, but he is not an answer to fascism either. We need radical change permalink fedilink source parent [+] arankays@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (2 children) He's a transphobe that would gladly put homeless people in a woodchipper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (2 children) Agreed that sicking the cops on homeless people is bad policy, and doing that in response to a court ruling without plan to actually help people is egregious. Does seem like he took an opportunity to disguise a NIMBY directive behind a court ruling. Transphobe though? What he diverges on the specific issue of trans women/girls in gender protected sports divisions and we just have to throw out everything else he’s supported or signed laws for trans and gay rights in the last 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* He literally invited Charlie Kirk to his podcast and agreed with him about transgender ideology being a problem. That's clear cut transphobia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago The thing is Transpeople in Sports is a distraction and by humoring it as a real issue he is playing to the cons permalink fedilink source parent [+] arankays@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (2 children) Agreed that sicking the cops on homeless people is bad policy, and doing that in response to a court ruling without plan to actually help people is egregious. Does seem like he took an opportunity to disguise a NIMBY directive behind a court ruling. Transphobe though? What he diverges on the specific issue of trans women/girls in gender protected sports divisions and we just have to throw out everything else he’s supported or signed laws for trans and gay rights in the last 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* He literally invited Charlie Kirk to his podcast and agreed with him about transgender ideology being a problem. That's clear cut transphobia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago The thing is Transpeople in Sports is a distraction and by humoring it as a real issue he is playing to the cons permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* He literally invited Charlie Kirk to his podcast and agreed with him about transgender ideology being a problem. That's clear cut transphobia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago The thing is Transpeople in Sports is a distraction and by humoring it as a real issue he is playing to the cons permalink fedilink source parent
[+] arankays@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Nobody has challenged Trump's communication style before? Really?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 child) A sitting governor doing carbon copy satire of Trump’s exact style? No that has not been done before to my knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (2 children) Why in gods name would we need this? How is this helping? Can we not just be fucking serious for a second here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) Y'all were serious and Trump got elected via memes in 2016 lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Yes, 4chan was the swing vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 11 months ago The_donald tho. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago Because being a sane adult isn't a winning proposition since people who vote are also idiots? Trying to go high and be an adult has accomplished exactly dick in 10 years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 child) A sitting governor doing carbon copy satire of Trump’s exact style? No that has not been done before to my knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (2 children) Why in gods name would we need this? How is this helping? Can we not just be fucking serious for a second here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) Y'all were serious and Trump got elected via memes in 2016 lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Yes, 4chan was the swing vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 11 months ago The_donald tho. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago Because being a sane adult isn't a winning proposition since people who vote are also idiots? Trying to go high and be an adult has accomplished exactly dick in 10 years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (2 children) Why in gods name would we need this? How is this helping? Can we not just be fucking serious for a second here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) Y'all were serious and Trump got elected via memes in 2016 lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Yes, 4chan was the swing vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 11 months ago The_donald tho. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago Because being a sane adult isn't a winning proposition since people who vote are also idiots? Trying to go high and be an adult has accomplished exactly dick in 10 years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) Y'all were serious and Trump got elected via memes in 2016 lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Yes, 4chan was the swing vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 11 months ago The_donald tho. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Yes, 4chan was the swing vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 11 months ago The_donald tho. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago Because being a sane adult isn't a winning proposition since people who vote are also idiots? Trying to go high and be an adult has accomplished exactly dick in 10 years. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] arankays@lemmy.ca -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) “The same as Donny” is the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago Something something California uber alles Nothing new exists... yeah Ronald Reagan is objectively worse than governer moonbeam but brown picked up the same mantle. Hypothetical example newsome runs for pres, wins and he paints the wall white but doesn't tear it down. Nah he's not an overt fascist, not the same as Donny in that way, but he is not an answer to fascism either. We need radical change permalink fedilink source parent [+] arankays@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) “The same as Donny” is the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago Something something California uber alles Nothing new exists... yeah Ronald Reagan is objectively worse than governer moonbeam but brown picked up the same mantle. Hypothetical example newsome runs for pres, wins and he paints the wall white but doesn't tear it down. Nah he's not an overt fascist, not the same as Donny in that way, but he is not an answer to fascism either. We need radical change permalink fedilink source parent [+] arankays@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago Something something California uber alles Nothing new exists... yeah Ronald Reagan is objectively worse than governer moonbeam but brown picked up the same mantle. Hypothetical example newsome runs for pres, wins and he paints the wall white but doesn't tear it down. Nah he's not an overt fascist, not the same as Donny in that way, but he is not an answer to fascism either. We need radical change permalink fedilink source parent
[+] arankays@lemmy.ca 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] strung6387@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) I'd argue the opposite: satire and humor are the best way to get people on your side and motivated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago What's the joke here then? Cause it isn't funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago What's the joke here then? Cause it isn't funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] danny801@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children) I would back a progressive candidate as hard as you can in the primary if possible. Newsom has a similar vibe problem as Harris where people outside of California don’t really know them or like them much. Personally I say fuck anyone from CA or NY (except AOC) we need a candidate from somewhere else more down to earth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] medgremlin@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) If the options in November 2028 come down to Newsom vs Trump (or whoever is his puppet), I'm still voting for Newsom. I won't be happy about it, but if we can't get a real progressive through the primaries, I'm still voting against the GOP and for the non-GOP candidate with the best chance of winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago If the dems think a conservative candidate win, they will ratfuck progressives again, which is how we got Trump both times. We need to make it absolutely clear that under no circumstances can the DNC let a conservative win the primary because they will lose the general. We did "yes, we know he sucks, but this is the most important election ever" with Biden, and he showed an entire generation that the dems are not an effective means to enacting positive social change, giving us back Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago Are there any progressives you are hoping will run? I'm not familiar with most politicians, would be helpful to know who's worth learning more about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soup@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 child) He platforms Charlie Kirk on his podcast, and his record for how he treats policy in relation to prisons is pretty shit. In 2022 he vetoed a bill that would end indefinite solitary confinement because, ya know, that makes sense. He’s a self-important loud-mouth who’s doing funny things in regards to attack Trump but absolutely is not what the US needs right now. They to yank that needle to the left and all they’re being offered is centrists and conservatives who don’t like to stir the pot even while fascism is fully present in their country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zonnewin@feddit.nl -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Be realistic. A leftist has no chance to get elected in the USA. A centrist is the best you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago Is that why Zohran Mamdani has been blowing every centrist in New York out of the water? permalink fedilink source parent [–] limer@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) I suppose Newsom may win the presidency in 2028, and then caretake the country while doing the minimum for 4 to 8 years. Just in time for another gop to win after that, and drive the USA to the brink of ruin even more than Trump Back and forth. Same pattern the last two decades or more permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) Thing is once Trump's gone the GOP will be in crisis. The movement is not about ideals but the man himself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) Fascist movements do not end when a leader goes. And while the gop will be splintered, they will coalesce, eventually, in time to elect someone we will curse in the 2030s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago Depends on when the leader dies and how the movement splinters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) Because Germany famously remained Nazis after Hitler killed himself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 1 point 11 months ago* There was that other thing at about the same time ..uhhh.. oh yes - losing the war..which may have had something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children) I would back a progressive candidate as hard as you can in the primary if possible. Newsom has a similar vibe problem as Harris where people outside of California don’t really know them or like them much. Personally I say fuck anyone from CA or NY (except AOC) we need a candidate from somewhere else more down to earth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] medgremlin@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) If the options in November 2028 come down to Newsom vs Trump (or whoever is his puppet), I'm still voting for Newsom. I won't be happy about it, but if we can't get a real progressive through the primaries, I'm still voting against the GOP and for the non-GOP candidate with the best chance of winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago If the dems think a conservative candidate win, they will ratfuck progressives again, which is how we got Trump both times. We need to make it absolutely clear that under no circumstances can the DNC let a conservative win the primary because they will lose the general. We did "yes, we know he sucks, but this is the most important election ever" with Biden, and he showed an entire generation that the dems are not an effective means to enacting positive social change, giving us back Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago Are there any progressives you are hoping will run? I'm not familiar with most politicians, would be helpful to know who's worth learning more about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) If the options in November 2028 come down to Newsom vs Trump (or whoever is his puppet), I'm still voting for Newsom. I won't be happy about it, but if we can't get a real progressive through the primaries, I'm still voting against the GOP and for the non-GOP candidate with the best chance of winning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago If the dems think a conservative candidate win, they will ratfuck progressives again, which is how we got Trump both times. We need to make it absolutely clear that under no circumstances can the DNC let a conservative win the primary because they will lose the general. We did "yes, we know he sucks, but this is the most important election ever" with Biden, and he showed an entire generation that the dems are not an effective means to enacting positive social change, giving us back Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago If the dems think a conservative candidate win, they will ratfuck progressives again, which is how we got Trump both times. We need to make it absolutely clear that under no circumstances can the DNC let a conservative win the primary because they will lose the general. We did "yes, we know he sucks, but this is the most important election ever" with Biden, and he showed an entire generation that the dems are not an effective means to enacting positive social change, giving us back Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago Are there any progressives you are hoping will run? I'm not familiar with most politicians, would be helpful to know who's worth learning more about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soup@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 child) He platforms Charlie Kirk on his podcast, and his record for how he treats policy in relation to prisons is pretty shit. In 2022 he vetoed a bill that would end indefinite solitary confinement because, ya know, that makes sense. He’s a self-important loud-mouth who’s doing funny things in regards to attack Trump but absolutely is not what the US needs right now. They to yank that needle to the left and all they’re being offered is centrists and conservatives who don’t like to stir the pot even while fascism is fully present in their country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zonnewin@feddit.nl -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Be realistic. A leftist has no chance to get elected in the USA. A centrist is the best you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago Is that why Zohran Mamdani has been blowing every centrist in New York out of the water? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zonnewin@feddit.nl -1 points 11 months ago (1 child) Be realistic. A leftist has no chance to get elected in the USA. A centrist is the best you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago Is that why Zohran Mamdani has been blowing every centrist in New York out of the water? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago Is that why Zohran Mamdani has been blowing every centrist in New York out of the water? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] limer@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (1 child) I suppose Newsom may win the presidency in 2028, and then caretake the country while doing the minimum for 4 to 8 years. Just in time for another gop to win after that, and drive the USA to the brink of ruin even more than Trump Back and forth. Same pattern the last two decades or more permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) Thing is once Trump's gone the GOP will be in crisis. The movement is not about ideals but the man himself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) Fascist movements do not end when a leader goes. And while the gop will be splintered, they will coalesce, eventually, in time to elect someone we will curse in the 2030s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago Depends on when the leader dies and how the movement splinters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) Because Germany famously remained Nazis after Hitler killed himself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 1 point 11 months ago* There was that other thing at about the same time ..uhhh.. oh yes - losing the war..which may have had something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) Thing is once Trump's gone the GOP will be in crisis. The movement is not about ideals but the man himself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) Fascist movements do not end when a leader goes. And while the gop will be splintered, they will coalesce, eventually, in time to elect someone we will curse in the 2030s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago Depends on when the leader dies and how the movement splinters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) Because Germany famously remained Nazis after Hitler killed himself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 1 point 11 months ago* There was that other thing at about the same time ..uhhh.. oh yes - losing the war..which may have had something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] limer@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago (2 children) Fascist movements do not end when a leader goes. And while the gop will be splintered, they will coalesce, eventually, in time to elect someone we will curse in the 2030s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago Depends on when the leader dies and how the movement splinters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) Because Germany famously remained Nazis after Hitler killed himself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 1 point 11 months ago* There was that other thing at about the same time ..uhhh.. oh yes - losing the war..which may have had something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz 2 points 11 months ago Depends on when the leader dies and how the movement splinters. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) Because Germany famously remained Nazis after Hitler killed himself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 1 point 11 months ago* There was that other thing at about the same time ..uhhh.. oh yes - losing the war..which may have had something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 1 point 11 months ago* There was that other thing at about the same time ..uhhh.. oh yes - losing the war..which may have had something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
