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[–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Was it real or simulated? I haven't seen any article make a definitive statement.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    “Salut maman, Comment tu vas ? Coincé pour un moment avec son jeu de mort, avait-il déclaré. Ça va trop loin. J’ai l’impression d’être séquestré avec leur concept de merde. J’en ai marre, je veux me barrer, l’autre il veut pas, il me séquestre”. (“Hey Mom, how are you? Stuck for a while with his death game,” he said. “This is going too far. I feel like I’m being held captive with their shitty concept. I’m fed up, I want to get out, the other guy doesn’t want me, he’s holding me captive.”)

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Just a nitpick, "jeu de mort" would never be translated as "death game". In this context "de mort" would be an intensifier like "fucking" or "damned".

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  • [+] -13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Should we not be able to watch Reservoir Dogs because there's simulated torture in it?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Would you watch a torture scene if you're not sure it is simulated or not?

    In a movie? It's Surely fake. On a livestream? I won't be so sure.

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  • I've not watched any of this, however there were investigations and "investigators interviewed Pormanove and one of his co-streamers who both appeared to be victims of violence and humiliation. They “strongly denied being victims of violence, stating that the events were staged in order to `generate a buzz’ and make money.” ". That seems to me that this was simulated torture, or at the very least consensual torture. I've watched and enjoyed many episodes of Jackass and I'd consider some of the things they did to be a form of torture... this just seems to be the natural progression of that genre of 'shock entertainment', which unfortunately went too far in this case.

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  • [+] -16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    That's a good summary of my point, though I'm not sure why you think it's a "strawman" and it certainly wasn't satirical.

    A strawman fallacy involves misrepresenting someone's argument to make it easier to attack. I, however, accurately represented your argument and then used an **analogy ** to highlight its flaws. An analogy is a rhetorical tool used to explain a concept by comparing it to something similar. In this case, I was responding directly to your question about why it matters if torture is simulated, and if it's ok to be streamed.

    My point, which you seem to have somehow missed, is that we have a clear precedent for broadcasting simulated torture. And, as you so helpfully pointed out, simulated torture not only is ok to be streamed, but it can also receive acclaim and awards.

    I'm glad we agree that simulated torture can be broadcast.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    lol, so now I can go into pointing out your logical fallacies... but, honestly I've already spent more than enough time on this conversation with someone who is clearly very toxic. Thanks for the quick response and for validating my initial impression that you're someone whose opinion I can happily live without, and welcome to my blocked list.

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