Rocket comments on Indonesian TikToker with more than 2 million followers jailed after saying Islamic phrase before eating pork

Indonesian TikToker with more than 2 million followers jailed after saying Islamic phrase before eating pork (www.abc.net.au)

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[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

Religion is nonsensical - anyone claiming supernatural abilities or visions or prophethood today is rightly treated for a mental disorder

It seems everyone is prone, though. Even those who are supposedly the enlightened. Just look at the religion of post-secondary education – promising supernatural abilities to magically increase one's income, even going as far as threatening to forever stricken you to the hell of flipping burgers at McDonalds if you don't give praise to the deity. Meanwhile the data clearly shows that the promises have never materialized. Incomes are stagnant, job quality has declined, etc.

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

This comment makes me think that psychedelics should be illegal for anyone right of Bill Clinton. "Isn't college a false religion?" Dude just stop...

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[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Fascinating how the religious will try to 'defend' religion with silly non-sequiturs, purposefully ignoring the issues their religion has. I guess that's the very nature of religion.

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[–] BenPranklin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Meanwhile the data clearly shows that the promises have never materialized.

The data absolutely does not say that.

Literally every study I've ever seen done on whether or not college is worth the money concludes that on average, it is and by a large margin

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[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

Literally every study I’ve ever seen done on whether or not college is worth the money concludes that on average, it is and by a large margin

Is there a reason you didn't link to those studies instead, then?

All three of the linked studies only show that those with down syndrome will not go as far in life as those who were born highly capable. Which surprises nobody, but has nothing to do with post-secondary education. There is nothing in there to suggest that graduating from college will cure down syndrome, as neat as that would be.

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[–] BenPranklin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

All three of the linked studies only show that those with down syndrome will not go as far in life

Lol, dude you have to be one of the more ridiculous trolls I've ever encountered on the internet. Keep up the good work

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[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Religion truly is strange. Now we even have the devout shouting "heretic" when their religion is called into question.

I get why you want to think that your deity creates all people as equals, only differentiated in whether or not they chose to attend college, but that's not how it actually works in the real world. There are huge differences between individuals. Many do not even have the capacity to graduate from college, no matter how much they want to. Those same struggles impact them throughout all of life.

To point out that those with such struggles do not make as much money as those with higher capabilities is interesting, I guess, if not blatantly obvious, but has nothing to do with post-secondary education. Again, there is nothing to suggest that graduating from college can cure what ails you.

Definitely still interested in the studies you spoke of earlier.

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[–] PizzasDontWearCapes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I agree that there are major issues with the cost of education, but I don't see similarities between belief in religion and belief that education is a worthwhile investment

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[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

I get the impression you are mixing up religion with "the church". The church can be quite valuable as a social community centre. Likewise, post-secondary schools no doubt offer similar community value. But we're talking about the belief system people have built up around it. One that often makes unfounded spiritual claims and threatens repercussions to those who do not attend church/school. That is where religion enters the picture and post-secondary education seems to be especially attractive to religious-types.

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[–] PizzasDontWearCapes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

I'm talking about beliefs, including, but not limited to: people walking on water, filling a boat with a pair of every animal in existence, and travelling to heaven to negotiate, with God, the number of daily prayers required by a believer. None of these things have actually been witnessed, because they simply didn't happen

With respect to the belief that schooling can result in the obtaining of lucrative employment - many people, including myself, have witnessed students acquiring skills and experience in school that they used to obtain jobs that provide ample wages

I don't see a parallel between the two

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[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

because they simply didn’t happen

They have. I have watched people walk on water. Of course, not in some magical way... all very explainable when you understand the underlying trick.

many people, including myself, have witnessed students acquiring skills and experience in school that they used to obtain jobs that provide ample wages

Likewise, simply watching someone go to college and get a job afterwards is not sufficient evidence that college is the reason for the outcome.

What we do know is that incomes have held stagnant through the rise of post-secondary schooling. This tells that some people always found higher paying jobs and other people always found lower paying jobs. What it also tells is that more people haven't found higher paying jobs after going to college. If the more and more people going to college were finding more and more higher paying work then the aggregate income mathematically could not be stagnant. But it is.

So, what you have is an extraordinary claim. Unless you just want to buy into a religion and believe everything you see at the surface level, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What controls do you have to ensure that you've not just missed an underlying trick?

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[–] PizzasDontWearCapes@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

You really think you're on to something here, don't you?

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[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Frankly, I am unsure of how to interpret this ad homiem. Do you honestly believe it has relevance to the discussion, or is it intended as a "go away you heretic"?

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[–] PizzasDontWearCapes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

It's a crude, and admittedly unbecoming act of disengagement

Please accept my apologies for my rudeness

This discussion isn't heading towards any sort of mutual agreement, understanding, or knowledge sharing, so let's end it and move onto more interesting things

all the best to you

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[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago*

This discussion isn’t heading towards any sort of mutual agreement, understanding, or knowledge sharing

Oh? Surely that would only be possible if religion is coming into play. And if it is that religion is coming into play, then we've still learned something – it being the topic of discussion.

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