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The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Actually Died (12ft.io)
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Elon Musk says no primates died as a result of Neuralink’s implants. A WIRED investigation now reveals the grisly specifics of their deaths as US authorities have been asked to investigate Musk’s claims.

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[–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Or the movie was based on real life. Animals aren't as dumb as we pretend. Other mammals are just that: mammals. The same as us. Mammals have the same feelings as us, the same emotions, the same fundamental chemical reactions, the same socialization. We just have big brains and written language to amplify basic mammalian traits.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah I'll be downvoted to hell for this comment but... no. Not all mammals are like us, they don't have the same feelings as us, they don't have the same emotions and definitely not the same fundamental chemical reactions (whatever the hell that is supposed to be anyways).

    Just to be clear: Elon Musk is a sociopathic scammer, he doesn't give a shit if living beings (or just plainly people) suffer or not and as far as I'm concerned he can go to hell where the devil will shove a pineapple up his ass every day for the shit he's caused so far.

    However, that doesn't mean that animals are the same like us. I'm not claiming were better, I'm not claiming they deserve to suffer because they're different, just trying to say that even chimps are already very different from us, hell, even within humans we have a wide range: look at Elon. I think it's fair to say that he works quite different from most other humans, quite different from you and I. Monkeys, apes, and especially "mammals" as a group work VERY different from us

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Real "Insects can't feel pain" energy. Le reddit "I'm going to get downvoted for this" doesn't make your take any less horrible.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Bro you're kidding me right? He's saying straight out that this is horrible and Elon is a sociopath, he's not defending this but rather calling it out for being fucking awful. Him saying that our brains and their brains don't work the exact same isn't him defending it but rather calling out false information. Different parts have different sizes and limits specific functions that they haven't evolved to have, just how a few days ago we had a post here about how baboons were flinging around the dead fetus from a stillbirth and they couldn't go in and take care of it because the risks involved. Their brains just aren't as developed as ours, but that doesn't mean this is acceptable behavior. It's fucking deplorable and needs to be outright forbidden.

    This is shit straight out of a horror film! But don't use lies to make it seem worse, that just makes you look shallow, that you can't relate to an animal if it's wired slightly different than you.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Actually no, you misunderstood what I said.

    Animals can suffer similarly like us, I'm simply saying they are not EXACTLY the same like us like OP was saying. OP claims that all mammals function exactly the same which biologically simply isn't true. Even within humans we see so much diversity in how brains work, do you really want to say that a rats brain works exactly the same as yours?

    Again, doesn't mean they can't or should suffer. Elon is a monster and should be in jail

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's not horrible, it's factual. Try changing your diet to include lots of sugar, alcohol and caffeine, and also avoid physical exercise, and you'll feel that even you are a different creature (feeling much worse at that).

    And that's same old you. Now macaques are another species.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But how do you assume that? Have you asked another species how different they are to us? It sounds like an equally far jump to say other species are vastly different as it is to say they are vastly similar to us. We just don't know and the assumptions can be harmful.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's the point, you can't ask them, their intelligence is different.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you have this little empathy for things that are not that much different from us, I have to ask you if this view extends to other races, because it probably does.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    If you have this little empathy

    Nowhere in this thread I've said anything which would give you a reason for this conclusion.

    So you've been caught cheating, fsck off.

    EDIT: Ah, and also I've got all the bloody world of empathy, but have recently ran out of mercy for those who don't even pretend at being good people. You have that habit of cheating in common with them.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    "I have lots of empathy I just choose not to use it"

    Bull, fucking, shit. The only way you can turn off empathy is if you were faking it from the start. Well now we know both why you're acting this way (divorced) and why you got divorced. Better luck keeping the next one around.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You are clueless. Stop imagining bullshit for other people, you look like a dramatic hysterical clown. This conversation is not about empathy, it's about your mind not being sufficiently similar to a chimp's mind to understand each other (despite appearances).

    Also it wasn't about any woman, it was about genocide, and I've used different words for empathy and mercy, because these are different things in my comment.

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