β² 1515 βΌ Deregulation will surely help the housing crisis π€‘ (lemmy.ml) submitted 2 years ago* by Grayox@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml 228 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] robo@feddit.uk 85 points 2 years ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] zephr_c@lemm.ee 61 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure. I don't think anybody is arguing that there is any country that couldn't give their regulations a once-over and improve things by removing a few counter-productive ones here and there. That's not what American style libertarians are actually arguing when they say they want deregulation though, is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago That's generally the type of thing libertarians get upset about. Or shit like floral licensing or cracking down on people braiding hair (this is generally black people, obviously) or the bazillion other types of regulatory capture. Farm subsidies and ethanol mandates/fuel subsidies are also a shitshow. permalink fedilink source parent [β] blueeggsandyam@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Exactly! Libertarians point to one regulation that isnβt working and push total deregulation. Why not just fix that one regulation? No, absolute deregulation is the only answer. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago Exactly. It's stupid to be like libertarians and take a hardline stance on "regulations always bad!!" or "regulations always good!!". A regulation that bans building dense, walkable communities is bad and needs to be eliminated. Likewise, regulations that ban teachers from talking about the existence of gay people are also bad and need to be eliminated. Just like we try to use regulations for good, many others use regulations for ill. It will always be context-specific specific whether we need more regulation or deregulation. permalink fedilink source parent [β] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) When actual libertarians get a chance to run a town, they don't start by eliminating zoning laws. This is the kind of thing that happens instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Novman@feddit.it 9 points 2 years ago Bears have a better libertarian ideology permalink fedilink source parent [β] Cynoid@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not surprised by the fact it did collapse, but i'm surprised that libertarians, of all people, did not try to solve the bear problem using extensive amounts of firepower. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ryumast3r@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It did mention that several times the town did form posses to go and cull the bears, but didn't do enough because you also had people just feeding the shit out of them. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Let the bears pay the bear tax! permalink fedilink source parent [β] Eq0@literature.cafe 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) You talk as if benefiting the ruling class was an unwanted consequence of these laws. Itβs not. The markets need to be free for the rich to benefit but restricted for the rich to benefit. And maybe some crumbs will fall of the table and the poors will think that the rich are so generous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] robo@feddit.uk 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] robo@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] robo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] robo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] robo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] MxM111@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you are agreeing with libertarians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Eq0@literature.cafe 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, there should be rules to benefit the poor. But many of the laws now in effect in particular in the US are specifically not built for that. So many laws would better be dropped than enforced, and many are missing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MxM111@kbin.social -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Why there should be rules to benefit the poor, as opposed minimalistic neutral rules beneficial to the whole society and safety net like UBI? (that what libertarian would argue) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AlmightyTritan@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago I guess it's a matter of semantics and if you're an existing rich person, right? Cause from the perspective of the rich closing up those loop holes would be perceived as purely benefitting the poor. For neutral rules to truly be neutral, you almost need to ensure there are services and programs to bring that opportunity to everyone, else it's just appears more fair without actually increasing accessibility. Which to your point would be something like UBI. permalink fedilink source parent [β] finnie@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's the irony. But Density means communism to them so they're suddenly fine with regulations and taxes that prop up an unsustainable suburban ponzi scheme because that's the lie sold about the American Dream. When they see how unaffordable housing has become they say, "good, my house is more expensive." permalink fedilink source parent
[β] zephr_c@lemm.ee 61 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure. I don't think anybody is arguing that there is any country that couldn't give their regulations a once-over and improve things by removing a few counter-productive ones here and there. That's not what American style libertarians are actually arguing when they say they want deregulation though, is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago That's generally the type of thing libertarians get upset about. Or shit like floral licensing or cracking down on people braiding hair (this is generally black people, obviously) or the bazillion other types of regulatory capture. Farm subsidies and ethanol mandates/fuel subsidies are also a shitshow. permalink fedilink source parent [β] blueeggsandyam@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Exactly! Libertarians point to one regulation that isnβt working and push total deregulation. Why not just fix that one regulation? No, absolute deregulation is the only answer. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago That's generally the type of thing libertarians get upset about. Or shit like floral licensing or cracking down on people braiding hair (this is generally black people, obviously) or the bazillion other types of regulatory capture. Farm subsidies and ethanol mandates/fuel subsidies are also a shitshow. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] blueeggsandyam@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Exactly! Libertarians point to one regulation that isnβt working and push total deregulation. Why not just fix that one regulation? No, absolute deregulation is the only answer. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago Exactly. It's stupid to be like libertarians and take a hardline stance on "regulations always bad!!" or "regulations always good!!". A regulation that bans building dense, walkable communities is bad and needs to be eliminated. Likewise, regulations that ban teachers from talking about the existence of gay people are also bad and need to be eliminated. Just like we try to use regulations for good, many others use regulations for ill. It will always be context-specific specific whether we need more regulation or deregulation. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) When actual libertarians get a chance to run a town, they don't start by eliminating zoning laws. This is the kind of thing that happens instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Novman@feddit.it 9 points 2 years ago Bears have a better libertarian ideology permalink fedilink source parent [β] Cynoid@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not surprised by the fact it did collapse, but i'm surprised that libertarians, of all people, did not try to solve the bear problem using extensive amounts of firepower. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ryumast3r@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It did mention that several times the town did form posses to go and cull the bears, but didn't do enough because you also had people just feeding the shit out of them. permalink fedilink source parent [β] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Let the bears pay the bear tax! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Novman@feddit.it 9 points 2 years ago Bears have a better libertarian ideology permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Cynoid@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not surprised by the fact it did collapse, but i'm surprised that libertarians, of all people, did not try to solve the bear problem using extensive amounts of firepower. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ryumast3r@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It did mention that several times the town did form posses to go and cull the bears, but didn't do enough because you also had people just feeding the shit out of them. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Ryumast3r@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It did mention that several times the town did form posses to go and cull the bears, but didn't do enough because you also had people just feeding the shit out of them. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Let the bears pay the bear tax! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Eq0@literature.cafe 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) You talk as if benefiting the ruling class was an unwanted consequence of these laws. Itβs not. The markets need to be free for the rich to benefit but restricted for the rich to benefit. And maybe some crumbs will fall of the table and the poors will think that the rich are so generous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] robo@feddit.uk 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] robo@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] robo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] robo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] robo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] MxM111@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you are agreeing with libertarians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Eq0@literature.cafe 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, there should be rules to benefit the poor. But many of the laws now in effect in particular in the US are specifically not built for that. So many laws would better be dropped than enforced, and many are missing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MxM111@kbin.social -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Why there should be rules to benefit the poor, as opposed minimalistic neutral rules beneficial to the whole society and safety net like UBI? (that what libertarian would argue) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AlmightyTritan@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago I guess it's a matter of semantics and if you're an existing rich person, right? Cause from the perspective of the rich closing up those loop holes would be perceived as purely benefitting the poor. For neutral rules to truly be neutral, you almost need to ensure there are services and programs to bring that opportunity to everyone, else it's just appears more fair without actually increasing accessibility. Which to your point would be something like UBI. permalink fedilink source parent
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[β] MxM111@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you are agreeing with libertarians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Eq0@literature.cafe 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, there should be rules to benefit the poor. But many of the laws now in effect in particular in the US are specifically not built for that. So many laws would better be dropped than enforced, and many are missing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MxM111@kbin.social -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Why there should be rules to benefit the poor, as opposed minimalistic neutral rules beneficial to the whole society and safety net like UBI? (that what libertarian would argue) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AlmightyTritan@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago I guess it's a matter of semantics and if you're an existing rich person, right? Cause from the perspective of the rich closing up those loop holes would be perceived as purely benefitting the poor. For neutral rules to truly be neutral, you almost need to ensure there are services and programs to bring that opportunity to everyone, else it's just appears more fair without actually increasing accessibility. Which to your point would be something like UBI. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Eq0@literature.cafe 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, there should be rules to benefit the poor. But many of the laws now in effect in particular in the US are specifically not built for that. So many laws would better be dropped than enforced, and many are missing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] MxM111@kbin.social -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Why there should be rules to benefit the poor, as opposed minimalistic neutral rules beneficial to the whole society and safety net like UBI? (that what libertarian would argue) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AlmightyTritan@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago I guess it's a matter of semantics and if you're an existing rich person, right? Cause from the perspective of the rich closing up those loop holes would be perceived as purely benefitting the poor. For neutral rules to truly be neutral, you almost need to ensure there are services and programs to bring that opportunity to everyone, else it's just appears more fair without actually increasing accessibility. Which to your point would be something like UBI. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MxM111@kbin.social -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Why there should be rules to benefit the poor, as opposed minimalistic neutral rules beneficial to the whole society and safety net like UBI? (that what libertarian would argue) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AlmightyTritan@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago I guess it's a matter of semantics and if you're an existing rich person, right? Cause from the perspective of the rich closing up those loop holes would be perceived as purely benefitting the poor. For neutral rules to truly be neutral, you almost need to ensure there are services and programs to bring that opportunity to everyone, else it's just appears more fair without actually increasing accessibility. Which to your point would be something like UBI. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AlmightyTritan@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago I guess it's a matter of semantics and if you're an existing rich person, right? Cause from the perspective of the rich closing up those loop holes would be perceived as purely benefitting the poor. For neutral rules to truly be neutral, you almost need to ensure there are services and programs to bring that opportunity to everyone, else it's just appears more fair without actually increasing accessibility. Which to your point would be something like UBI. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] finnie@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's the irony. But Density means communism to them so they're suddenly fine with regulations and taxes that prop up an unsustainable suburban ponzi scheme because that's the lie sold about the American Dream. When they see how unaffordable housing has become they say, "good, my house is more expensive." permalink fedilink source parent