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[–] 61 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Those "fancy steps" are the only things that would make this legal. Without them, all he's doing is violating the Constitution. DC presents a unique loophole for this. Anywhere else, and he's breaking the law.

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Surely this time he’s done for.

    Hate to break it to you man but the law does not matter. It really never has for the rich and powerful but he has laid it all bare

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've said time and time again we let the entire Bush admin off the hook for war crimes... Trump hasn't even hit war crimes levels yet. Did anyone think we were ever going to hold him to account when we wouldn't even do anything about that?

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  • [+] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I don't disagree, I guess I just felt like Bush's war crimes of torture within our own military was pretty directly egregious whereas the whole point of Iran-Contra was that the Contras were the ones committing the violence, not US soldiers at the command of their leadership. Plausible deniability and all that. Like, if our society was ever going to give a shit, that should be have been the straw that broke the camels back since there was nothing plausibly deniable about "enhanced interrogation."

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The law does matter. People don't seem to realize just how much of Trump's bullshit has already been stopped by the courts.

    The majority of his executive orders have all been blocked or straight-up nullified, so far...but thanks to the overwhelming volume of court cases and the long delays in reaching some decisions...the media never covers the outcomes to the same extent.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    Buddy if the law mattered even one fucking iota trump himself would be buried under the prison.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    If the law was perfect or if the law even worked as intended, he would have been in prison a long time ago.

    If the law didn't matter at all, he wouldn't bother making threats and testing the waters. The military never would have been recalled from LA the first time around. The FBI would have already arrested the TX Democrats in Chicago, and TX Republicans would have just gone ahead with the redistricting without a second thought (which even I'm pretty surprised that they didn't).

    Will the law alone prevail and save us in the end? Not likely, but there is a difference between being naive and not allowing yourself to panic and be backed into a corner of black and white thinking. In many ways, doing so is accepting defeat.

    Being smart and strategizing means using the law and along with everything else to your advantage while you still can. Trump has been bulldozing through law bc his goal is to betray his own country. Democrats in TX are breaking the law, but they're doing it strategically to save their country. They're aligning themselves with Democrats in other states, and uniting as Americans. That's what we all should be doing.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    whenever an EO gets challenged or struck down, Trump figures out a way to get rid of the problem or go around it. the only thing the law is doing is showing him vulnerabilities to exploit. state injunctions are legally being ignored thanks to SCOTUS, so.. Trump does not have to listen to judges.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Exactly, he is escalating bc he is feeling pressure. He is getting worried about the midterms. That is not to say that the law will surely prevail in the end, but just to point out that he wouldn't even be bothering to test the waters with threats of "maybe your city is next" if he didn't believe he would see pushback.

    He's already sent and recalled much of the military in L.A., so what tf is he even talking about? Floating the idea of sending them again only to then recall them again?

    D.C. has gained autonomy as a city, but keep in mind it was already unique compared to Chicago, LA, and NY bc it's already a federal district. When he called for a "federal takeover" a few days ago, he meant stripping the city of its autonomy in terms of taking the power from the mayor.

    When he tried to take LA the first time, he experienced pushback from both city and state governments. Military morale was reportedly extremely low, he made them sleep on the floor bc he didn't really have any kind of a plan other than a show of force. In the end, he basically succeeded in a public show of wasting money and resources for absolutely nothing.

    Now what? He's going to send in the troops again? Surely they'll get the job done the second time around.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It doesn't fucking matter. He'll do it all anyway, without ever declaring martial law. And what the fuck is anyone going to do about it?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Martial Law is too obvious.

    Russia is in full scale war, and has not formally declared war, but they are operating as if they have. Trump would do the same, a bunch of different declarations that are in practice, Martial law, but without actually saying it, because Martial law is too obvious of a rubicon.

    GOP MAGA is trying to boil the frog, what determines if there will be a revolution or not is if huge parts of the country suddenley believe we've crossed the rubicon, the point of no return. And it benefits MAGA for those people to have unique turning points, some will wait until X happens, Some wont take up arms until Y happens, It benefits them to boil the frog slowly, because it allows them to secure their position more and more before a potential confrontation happens

    declaring martial law is a clear sign to everyone "Yup, Im declaring the civil war" its too obvious, it doesnt benefit Trump to do that until he thinks he is ready, and at that point he's already won and will be untouchable.

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