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ICE agents pointed guns at a US citizen when she ran out on to her yard to ask why they were arresting her (legal immigrant) partner. (abcnews4.com)
submitted 1 year ago* by to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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Ring footage shows an agent pulling his gun on her, after which he shoves her down multiple times, pushes her back into house & slams the door.

All because she was asking for proof of a warrant. They refused to even give their names & badge numbers.

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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

The whole point of the criticism of 2A is that every single argument for it is bullshit with no basis in the real world.

You...you mean other than right now? When the gestapo are growing rapidly and straight up kidnapping people? Right now is the entire argument for it.

This comment is the shit I'm literally talking about. I'm assuming you're on the left and you see shit like this daily, and probably say fascist are running the show and you still stick your head in the sand.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Notice how no civil war is breaking out.
    Notice how nobody wants to start a shootout with armed forces?
    Notice how the only real world impact of civvies arming themselves is more civvies die?

    I'm from a country with sensible gun laws and no gestapo snatching people off the streets. yet we still take to the streets in protest of a far right party blasting past constitutional lines - they're currently under investigation and potentially to be banned in the future.

    All without posturing as armed defenders of democracy watching it's downfall from the sidelines.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Notice how no civil war is breaking out.

    The fuck are you on about? Civil wars happen regardless of the population being armed or not. See Myanmar.

    Notice how nobody wants to start a shootout with armed forces?

    Who is nobody? Cause in the states it's getting that way soon.

    Notice how the only real world impact of civvies arming themselves is more civvies die?

    That's not how that works at all.

    I'm from a country with sensible gun laws and no gestapo snatching people off the streets.

    Uhh ok? So why the fuck do you give a shit about what happens here in the states? You don't know the dynamics here at all, and just see what you are fed by your local news.

    yet we still take to the streets in protest of a far right party blasting past constitutional lines

    Cool, we're trying to do that as well...

    they're currently under investigation and potentially to be banned in the future.

    Ok let me know how that goes... assuming you actually post where you're from

    All without posturing as armed defenders of democracy watching it's downfall from the sidelines.

    Again...the left isn't armed like the right is. The right wing wants the crap that's happening here. You're not making any sense at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think (and this person can correct me if I'm wrong, it's really how I understood it) the idea was: despite all the 2A theory of "we need guns to defend from tyrannical government, and yes, if it were to happen I'd take up arms" the US is (not so slowly anymore) sliding toward the tyrannical government and we saw no usage of 2A to fight against it.

    Your point could be right: it's because people with the gun generally agree with the government, so no reason to use 2A.

    Next question is: even if all leftist were armed, would we start to see ICE agent being shot? No idea.

    Oh and, on another note, to compare the US and Myanmar is NOT a good comparison from any point of view.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I think (and this person can correct me if I'm wrong, it's really how I understood it) the idea was: despite all the 2A theory of "we need guns to defend from tyrannical government, and yes, if it were to happen I'd take up arms" the US is (not so slowly anymore) sliding toward the tyrannical government and we saw no usage of 2A to fight against it.

    Again, 20% of the left is armed or lives with someone who is armed... nearly %60 is the right...the right is driving this fascist bullshit. No wonder it's not being used.

    Y>our point could be right: it's because people with the gun generally agree with the government, so no reason to use 2A.

    Exactly.

    Next question is: even if all leftist were armed, would we start to see ICE agent being shot? No idea.

    If ICE starts shooting people, you better bet there would be return fire.

    Oh and, on another note, to compare the US and Myanmar is NOT a good comparison from any point of view.

    I didn't compare it to the USA at all. I stated that they're population was not armed and they still have a civil war happening. Which is counter point to the guy stating that civil wars don't happen if civs aren't armed like in his country. Which is bullshit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The fuck are you on about? Civil wars happen regardless of the population being armed or not. See Myanmar.

    is this a strawman or just intentionally obtuse?

    Cause in the states it’s getting that way soon.

    sure, maybe. probably not, but maybe.

    That’s not how that works at all.

    ...

    and just see what you are fed by your local news.

    aaahh there we go, conspiratorial anti "the media" shit that i usually expect from the good ol 2A crowd.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    is this a strawman or just intentionally obtuse?

    You acted like civil wars happen because the population is armed...so no it wasn't a strawman it was to point out that you're ignorantly wrong.

    aaahh there we go, conspiratorial anti "the media" shit that i usually expect from the good ol 2A crowd.

    Says the guy who lives in a different country and assumes how the usa is going to be in a civil war because we're armed...keep your nose in your own countries business. What we do here doesn't effect you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Bro i specifically wrote "NO civil war is breaking out"

    IDK why you're struggling so much to misconstrue the very brief points that I made.

    Global politics do affect the globe btw

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You wrote no civil war is breaking out because you were comparing your disarmed population to the USA. Don't back petal now.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    No botanicals involved.
    You are either completely misunderstanding or intentionally misconstruing like half of what i'm saying.
    DESPITE your great plan of arming every waking being, and many guns in civillian hands, nobody is keen on starting a civil war - as is evident by the lack of any shootouts of the great armed population against ICE.

    If i really have to spell out the specific implications and meanings of anything I write, so you don't move goalposts every other comment, i'd rather withdraw from this utterly pointless exercise.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Which you clearly missed half of what I've pointed out. The left isnt armed and the right who is, are the ones mostly causing this shit. The fuck are you on about. So pointless arguing with some of you euro kids, you have no clue what's going on over here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    so you're hell bent on the claim that no meaningful amount of left leaning people in the US possess guns and that's the root of the problem.
    do you have numbers on that or is it more of a vibe fact.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I literally posted this already.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

    About 20% of the left is armed. Compared to 50+% of the right.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)
    1. i don't scour your post history for sources, i look at the stuff you send me. Pro tip, the username specifies individual people on this platform
    2. 45% of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents is not 50+
    3. Dems and dem leaning people are not "the left". fun fact, dems aren't even center left. they're center right.

    what stats are you reading man? rounding 45 to 50+? or am i missing some specific other line that you're adding to the numbers?

    regardless, none of the above are shooting anyone but fellow civilians.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago
    1. i don't scour your post history for sources, i look at the stuff you send me. Pro tip, the username specifies individual people on this platform

    The multiple users I'm replying to can get muddy, my bad.

    1. 45% of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents is not 50+

    You are correct, I think it was from the right leaning side of men that own firearms. The reality is the left is heavily outgunned..

    1. Dems and dem leaning people are not "the left". fun fact, dems aren't even center left. they're center right.

    They are the largest group, and like it or not, compared to what the right wing has turned into are the left.

    regardless, none of the above are shooting anyone but fellow civilians.

    That wasn't the point of my posts.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The fuck are you on about? Civil wars happen regardless of the population being armed or not. See Myanmar.

    Off topic, but Myanmar has had local militias for decades and they were in varying states of rebellion until the democratic reforms in the 2010-2020 period. Yes, the civil war has spread further now, but this was in no way a disarmed country.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Myanmar was heavily restricted on access to firearms. It's why the 3d printed guns were used a ton early on before the free people could get access to firearms. The junta has relaxed this for supporters of the regime, but saying that they were armed is a bit of a stretch.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm just going to leave you this link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_armed_organisations_in_Myanmar

    Check the Active list and the founding years. This was not a disarmed population. What the Tatmadaw did or did not allow was not much of a concern outside the central plains.

    But these messages are being deleted, so whatever.

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