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Fringe right and fringe left both make this conversation difficult (lemmy.myserv.one)
submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/tankiejerk@lemmy.world
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An 8-panel Phoebe Teaching Joey meme.

The first panel is Phoebe from Friends saying "Russia".

The second panel is Joey from the same show replying with "Russia".

The third panel is Phoebe saying "has invaded".

The fourth panel is Joey repeating back "has invaded".

The fifth panel is Phoebe saying "Ukraine".

The sixth panel is Joey repeating back "Ukraine".

The seventh panel is Phoebe saying the completed phrase "Russia has invaded Ukraine".

The final panel shows Joey proudly proclaiming "NATO just started a proxy war".

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[–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Then I call your debt to me for my portion of the taxes I paid for the highways you drive on, the social security you'll claim when your older, and the 12 years of public education we paid for you and your children....

What? Don't want to pay that back? Then stfu and deal with it. Taxes are paid for the services rendered (education, medical expenses, highways, etc).

After you pay for the services that money isn't yours, it's the government's. You don't get to tell other people how to spend their money. You choose to live in society so you choose to accept the services and their costs. The government uses this income, which is their money, and spends it how they see fit.

Don't like it? Too fucking bad. I didn't think I would have to explain basic middle school economics to somebody who's almost definitely a fully grown adult today.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My roads are paid for by my fuel tax, my social security (which I'm sure will never come back to me) is payed by myself now to get back negative returns later in life, and I pay for my children's education. I'd love to opt out of social security actually, they can even keep what I've paid in to date. You've contributed nothing to me actually, and the government isn't someone else or a corporation spending profit, it's all of us.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're just proving more and more you don't understand tax theory and American economics.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What part is wrong? my fuel isn't taxed? I don't pay SS tax? I don't pay my kid's tuition? I'd love to know what phantom taxes I can stop paying.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You do realise that regardless of whether you pay tuition, public education taxes were still collected on the assumption your children would possibly go to public schools. Your taxes alone do not fund your SS. Your taxes alone do not fund the things you would have benefited or do benefit from in America.

    That's why they're paid for with taxes. So you don't pay as much.

    But I guess literal taxation theory 101, the fucking bare basics of tax theory, literally the simplest of the simplest concepts in economics was too difficult to conceptualise for you that you needed it stated plainly.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So to summarize, I'm forced to pay taxes on things I don't want, and wont use, so I don't pay as much.

    And I don't know how you you think social security is funded, but as a business owner I fund mine 100% by my self, I'm forced to participate in a ponzi scheme with a negative rate of return under the threat of the full authority of every 3 letter federal agency.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    "I'm forced to pay taxes on things I don't want" no

    "And don't use" nope.

    "So I don't pay as much" if you use them

    Again you're fundamentally misunderstanding taxation. You're not paying taxes for those services (I mean, in a way you are but indirectly through cost of services) you pay for the benefits of living in society. You use public roads, you 100% cannot say you don't because that's near impossible in America. You use public roads, your utilities get sent through public infrastructure (even when provided by private corporations they utilise public infrastructure in 87.6% of cases), you 100% do use publicly funded services and benefit from taxation.

    Anybody who honestly thinks they don't is fucking delusional.

    So for these services and goods, you pay money to the government. Then the government uses THEIR MONEY (because it is NO LONGER YOUR MONEY) to pay for other things. Things you might not use, but it's not your fucking money. So you don't get to decide how they spend it. Because it is not your money.

    Once paid, that is the government's money. Not yours. That's how capitalism fucking works. It's literal capitalism 101, I learned this in 5th, 7th, and again in 10th grade. Oh, right.... you didn't use public education..... guess you should ask the private school you sent your kids to for a refund.

    Edit: A list of things you almost definitely use, even if only occasionally, that are funded by taxes

    • Weather Information
    • GPS
    • Roads
    • Sewage
    • Trash
    • Agricultural Subsidies
    • Medical Research
    • Museums and Archival Programs
    • Many Many More Things
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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    GOVERNMENT GETS THE MONEY FROM ME! GOVERNMENT IS ALL OF US! THAT'S THE WHOLE DAMN POINT.

    Yes, I'm forced to pay taxes on things I don't use, that's just a fact. I don't understand why you'd waste energy trying to tell me otherwise since you are factually wrong.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    Except I'm not. The only way I'm wrong is if you misunderstand how taxation works. You only pay taxes because you use the services of society. You literally cannot say you don't, it is next to fucking impossible not to if you have access to the internet in America. You 100% live somewhere that I can guarantee you benefit from tax funded programs. Meaning you are using the services. Those services have a cost, you pay taxes to cover the cost, they use THEIR MONEY (it doesn't matter if they get it from you, it is THEIR money after you pay it.... that's literally how capitalism works).

    Also govt is not all of us. We are NOT a democracy. We are a republic. The govt is made up of REPRESENTATIVES that WE elect to REPRESENT us.

    I honestly am surprised you managed to graduate high school given this is information we learn in elementary school. If you struggle with literal 5th grade civics, I'd hate to see how you did in 10th grade economics.

    Edit: it's funny tho that the taxation is theft crowd is often the same ones to defend capitalism. Without capitalism taxation wouldn't be necessary as you'd decommodify those publicly funded programs. Commodification is a symptom and function of capitalism.

    Fundamentally speaking, arguing for the abolition of taxation means you're advocating for something that began with the Communists.

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