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The tariffs are being paid by Americans. Why is that a surprise? (discuss.online)

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[+] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ideally, you'd boycott Chinese products too.

I mean, I'm fully aware that "everything is made in China", but - to me - there's a difference in supporting a [somewhere]-based company that pays taxes [somewhere] and purchases components/manufactures in China (sending part of my money there), and buying full-on Chinese, and having 100% of my money support a genocidal government.

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[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

Your point is valid, but non-genocidal governments are getting harder to find any more.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

China has authoritarianism and repression but not full on mass genocide like America and the EU.

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[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

Tell that to the Uyghurs.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

Can you show evidence of mass genocide on Uygurs?

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[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago*

Yes that is repression and authoritarianism. Not everything is genocide. Unless you use the CIA created organization Radio Free Asia as source.

What the West is doing in Gaza has every major human rights organization qualifying it as genocide.

This is what a Wikipedia page of genocide looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

This is not to say Chinese repression and authoritarianism is great, but it is "better" than literal mass extermination.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 child)

Persecution. Not mass extermination. This is what a Wikipedia page about genocide looks like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

Alright so we'll just go ahead and mark you down for "indifferent to Uyghur persecution".

Also, the treatment of Uyghurs meets the definition for genocide. Please read the article.

Those accusing China of genocide point to intentional acts they say violate Article II of the Genocide Convention,[22][23][24] which prohibits "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part," a "racial or religious group" including "causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group" and "measures intended to prevent births within the group".[

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

Those who? Which respected human rights organization calls it a genocide? [22][23][24]?

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

My bad. I wasn't aware that real genocides are decided by "respected human rights organizations", otherwise it's just a sparkling extermination program. Are you fucking serious right now?

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

Stop trying to devalue to meaning of the word genocide. If an opponent of the West was committing genocide these organisations would be the very first to use the term.

Genocide is a crime on Holocaust level specifically focused on exterminating a group.

Not every war crime or authoritarian oppression suddenly becomes genocide.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago

So, hypothetically, by your understanding of the word genocide... If I relocated a group of people based on ethnic or cultural identity, forced abortions, sterilized the populace, separated families and in some cases just straight up murdered them...that wouldn't constitute a genocide in your mind?

Clearly, you care more about the "value of the definition of genocide" more than you care about people who are actually victims of it by definition.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

No genocides recently, just massacring millions of their own civilians for having a different belief.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

Do you have any credible sources for this?

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -1 points 11 months ago (1 child)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_China

You can dig into the sources for each event. For my above comment I didnt dig into the sources.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

I am sure China has committed genocides in the past but I am also not putting Japan on the genocide list because the rape of Nanking. The only event people keep bringing up regarding China is the Tiannenmen Square riots where less than a thousand people were killed. And even accepting all Western narratives that was certainly not a targeted extermination of a certain population but it would be political repression.

We are talking about active genocides. People need to stop devalueing the word genocide.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

I never said genocide I was just pointing out that they've done a bit more than just authoritarianism and repression. Tiannenmen square is a blip on the CCP massacres.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

Germany and America are beating protesters harder than China currently and nobody accuses them of genocide for that.

America is directly committing genocide in Gaza with their boots on the ground though. And Germany is heavily complicit.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -1 points 11 months ago (1 child)

Ah yes, the American private military contractors on the ground distributing aid and Germans beating some protestors. Totally comparable to China killing 4 million of their own people.

Also theres a news story on the front page of chinese police beating citizens bloody with batons and cattle prods for protesting justice for girl who got bullied.

Is China responsible for supplying russia in their war?

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

You mean Americans shooting and killing Palestinians right? Do link your four million source.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 11 months ago

Ive already given you the source.

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[+] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

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[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago

The sellers on AliExpress have to pay duty now. Granted, they probably declare far less than true value, but the tariffs already made prices on AliExpress increase. You just don't notice it because it's rolled into the sale price or added to taxes and shipping.

Most things I shop for on AE are around 20% higher than they were before the tariffs started and de minimis was removed. I suspect sellers were shipping from China to other countries and then to US so the tariffs wouldn't be so harsh. Now that we seem to be removing the de minimis exception from other countries, that work around could end - leading to additional price increases.

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