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[–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where did I say that? Keep your straw men to yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, that is literally a dictionary definition, not a colloquialism. A colloquialism would necessarily be informal and descriptive, not prescriptive. You said it right here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Go back to grade school and learn reading comprehension again, please. Just because I said that colloquialisms are descriptive, does not mean that I said that all dictionary definitions are prescriptive. Get your red herring straw man bullshit out of here. You clearly lost the argument if you are at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What argument? I'm informing you that it refers to the feeling of discomfort from having contradictory beliefs and not the state of having two contradictory beliefs. Read this, doofus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The argument against your claims? I'm informing you that cognitive dissonance refers to the simple state of holding incongruous beliefs. Read these, doofus: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cognitive%20dissonance https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/cognitive-dissonance https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199976720.001.0001/acref-9780199976720-e-318 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not saying those are wrong, I'm saying those are the colloquial usage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) And I'm saying YOUR usage is the colloquial usage. Just look at the very source of the term, Leon Festinger's "A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance" from 1957. here is a link Chapter 1, page 3. In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. By the term cognition, here and in the remainder of the book, I mean any knowledge, opinion, or belief about the environment, about oneself, or about one's behavior. Cognitive dissonance can be seen as an antecedent condition which leads to activity oriented toward dissonance reduction just as hunger leads to activity oriented toward hunger reduction. He makes it clear that cognitive dissonance is the status of holding incongruous beliefs, NOT the status of discomfort. He states that cognitive dissonance CAUSES discomfort, and that people tend to seek to resolve that discomfort, but cognitive dissonance is not the discomfort itself. It is "the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago I cannot upvote your comments with insults but thank you (both) for this thread, especially for adding links and the meta layer that comes with the emotions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The comparison to hunger makes it clear to me. It isn't being compared to the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I see, you're fucking brain dead. Now this whole conversation makes sense. You literally cannot admit you are clearly wrong. Please go touch grass, you are pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll do it after I eat lunch because of the feeling of hunger, not the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Need that one more time? Here ya go In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Maybe if you read it ONE MORE TIME it will click for you In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Cognitive dissonance is the existence of nonfitting relations among cognition, not the feeling of discomfort arising from that. It is what you are suffering from right now. You have the evidence laid clearly in front of you, but you cherry pick one TINY tidbit and interpret it incorrectly so as to suit your needs. You KNOW you are wrong, and you are arguing in bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing in bad faith? You told me to go back to grade school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, that is literally a dictionary definition, not a colloquialism. A colloquialism would necessarily be informal and descriptive, not prescriptive. You said it right here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Go back to grade school and learn reading comprehension again, please. Just because I said that colloquialisms are descriptive, does not mean that I said that all dictionary definitions are prescriptive. Get your red herring straw man bullshit out of here. You clearly lost the argument if you are at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What argument? I'm informing you that it refers to the feeling of discomfort from having contradictory beliefs and not the state of having two contradictory beliefs. Read this, doofus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The argument against your claims? I'm informing you that cognitive dissonance refers to the simple state of holding incongruous beliefs. Read these, doofus: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cognitive%20dissonance https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/cognitive-dissonance https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199976720.001.0001/acref-9780199976720-e-318 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not saying those are wrong, I'm saying those are the colloquial usage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) And I'm saying YOUR usage is the colloquial usage. Just look at the very source of the term, Leon Festinger's "A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance" from 1957. here is a link Chapter 1, page 3. In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. By the term cognition, here and in the remainder of the book, I mean any knowledge, opinion, or belief about the environment, about oneself, or about one's behavior. Cognitive dissonance can be seen as an antecedent condition which leads to activity oriented toward dissonance reduction just as hunger leads to activity oriented toward hunger reduction. He makes it clear that cognitive dissonance is the status of holding incongruous beliefs, NOT the status of discomfort. He states that cognitive dissonance CAUSES discomfort, and that people tend to seek to resolve that discomfort, but cognitive dissonance is not the discomfort itself. It is "the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago I cannot upvote your comments with insults but thank you (both) for this thread, especially for adding links and the meta layer that comes with the emotions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The comparison to hunger makes it clear to me. It isn't being compared to the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I see, you're fucking brain dead. Now this whole conversation makes sense. You literally cannot admit you are clearly wrong. Please go touch grass, you are pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll do it after I eat lunch because of the feeling of hunger, not the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Need that one more time? Here ya go In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Maybe if you read it ONE MORE TIME it will click for you In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Cognitive dissonance is the existence of nonfitting relations among cognition, not the feeling of discomfort arising from that. It is what you are suffering from right now. You have the evidence laid clearly in front of you, but you cherry pick one TINY tidbit and interpret it incorrectly so as to suit your needs. You KNOW you are wrong, and you are arguing in bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing in bad faith? You told me to go back to grade school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Go back to grade school and learn reading comprehension again, please. Just because I said that colloquialisms are descriptive, does not mean that I said that all dictionary definitions are prescriptive. Get your red herring straw man bullshit out of here. You clearly lost the argument if you are at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What argument? I'm informing you that it refers to the feeling of discomfort from having contradictory beliefs and not the state of having two contradictory beliefs. Read this, doofus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The argument against your claims? I'm informing you that cognitive dissonance refers to the simple state of holding incongruous beliefs. Read these, doofus: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cognitive%20dissonance https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/cognitive-dissonance https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199976720.001.0001/acref-9780199976720-e-318 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not saying those are wrong, I'm saying those are the colloquial usage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) And I'm saying YOUR usage is the colloquial usage. Just look at the very source of the term, Leon Festinger's "A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance" from 1957. here is a link Chapter 1, page 3. In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. By the term cognition, here and in the remainder of the book, I mean any knowledge, opinion, or belief about the environment, about oneself, or about one's behavior. Cognitive dissonance can be seen as an antecedent condition which leads to activity oriented toward dissonance reduction just as hunger leads to activity oriented toward hunger reduction. He makes it clear that cognitive dissonance is the status of holding incongruous beliefs, NOT the status of discomfort. He states that cognitive dissonance CAUSES discomfort, and that people tend to seek to resolve that discomfort, but cognitive dissonance is not the discomfort itself. It is "the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago I cannot upvote your comments with insults but thank you (both) for this thread, especially for adding links and the meta layer that comes with the emotions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The comparison to hunger makes it clear to me. It isn't being compared to the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I see, you're fucking brain dead. Now this whole conversation makes sense. You literally cannot admit you are clearly wrong. Please go touch grass, you are pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll do it after I eat lunch because of the feeling of hunger, not the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Need that one more time? Here ya go In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Maybe if you read it ONE MORE TIME it will click for you In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Cognitive dissonance is the existence of nonfitting relations among cognition, not the feeling of discomfort arising from that. It is what you are suffering from right now. You have the evidence laid clearly in front of you, but you cherry pick one TINY tidbit and interpret it incorrectly so as to suit your needs. You KNOW you are wrong, and you are arguing in bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing in bad faith? You told me to go back to grade school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What argument? I'm informing you that it refers to the feeling of discomfort from having contradictory beliefs and not the state of having two contradictory beliefs. Read this, doofus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The argument against your claims? I'm informing you that cognitive dissonance refers to the simple state of holding incongruous beliefs. Read these, doofus: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cognitive%20dissonance https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/cognitive-dissonance https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199976720.001.0001/acref-9780199976720-e-318 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not saying those are wrong, I'm saying those are the colloquial usage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) And I'm saying YOUR usage is the colloquial usage. Just look at the very source of the term, Leon Festinger's "A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance" from 1957. here is a link Chapter 1, page 3. In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. By the term cognition, here and in the remainder of the book, I mean any knowledge, opinion, or belief about the environment, about oneself, or about one's behavior. Cognitive dissonance can be seen as an antecedent condition which leads to activity oriented toward dissonance reduction just as hunger leads to activity oriented toward hunger reduction. He makes it clear that cognitive dissonance is the status of holding incongruous beliefs, NOT the status of discomfort. He states that cognitive dissonance CAUSES discomfort, and that people tend to seek to resolve that discomfort, but cognitive dissonance is not the discomfort itself. It is "the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago I cannot upvote your comments with insults but thank you (both) for this thread, especially for adding links and the meta layer that comes with the emotions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The comparison to hunger makes it clear to me. It isn't being compared to the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I see, you're fucking brain dead. Now this whole conversation makes sense. You literally cannot admit you are clearly wrong. Please go touch grass, you are pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll do it after I eat lunch because of the feeling of hunger, not the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Need that one more time? Here ya go In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Maybe if you read it ONE MORE TIME it will click for you In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Cognitive dissonance is the existence of nonfitting relations among cognition, not the feeling of discomfort arising from that. It is what you are suffering from right now. You have the evidence laid clearly in front of you, but you cherry pick one TINY tidbit and interpret it incorrectly so as to suit your needs. You KNOW you are wrong, and you are arguing in bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing in bad faith? You told me to go back to grade school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The argument against your claims? I'm informing you that cognitive dissonance refers to the simple state of holding incongruous beliefs. Read these, doofus: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cognitive%20dissonance https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/cognitive-dissonance https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199976720.001.0001/acref-9780199976720-e-318 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not saying those are wrong, I'm saying those are the colloquial usage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) And I'm saying YOUR usage is the colloquial usage. Just look at the very source of the term, Leon Festinger's "A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance" from 1957. here is a link Chapter 1, page 3. In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. By the term cognition, here and in the remainder of the book, I mean any knowledge, opinion, or belief about the environment, about oneself, or about one's behavior. Cognitive dissonance can be seen as an antecedent condition which leads to activity oriented toward dissonance reduction just as hunger leads to activity oriented toward hunger reduction. He makes it clear that cognitive dissonance is the status of holding incongruous beliefs, NOT the status of discomfort. He states that cognitive dissonance CAUSES discomfort, and that people tend to seek to resolve that discomfort, but cognitive dissonance is not the discomfort itself. It is "the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago I cannot upvote your comments with insults but thank you (both) for this thread, especially for adding links and the meta layer that comes with the emotions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The comparison to hunger makes it clear to me. It isn't being compared to the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I see, you're fucking brain dead. Now this whole conversation makes sense. You literally cannot admit you are clearly wrong. Please go touch grass, you are pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll do it after I eat lunch because of the feeling of hunger, not the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Need that one more time? Here ya go In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Maybe if you read it ONE MORE TIME it will click for you In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Cognitive dissonance is the existence of nonfitting relations among cognition, not the feeling of discomfort arising from that. It is what you are suffering from right now. You have the evidence laid clearly in front of you, but you cherry pick one TINY tidbit and interpret it incorrectly so as to suit your needs. You KNOW you are wrong, and you are arguing in bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing in bad faith? You told me to go back to grade school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not saying those are wrong, I'm saying those are the colloquial usage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) And I'm saying YOUR usage is the colloquial usage. Just look at the very source of the term, Leon Festinger's "A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance" from 1957. here is a link Chapter 1, page 3. In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. By the term cognition, here and in the remainder of the book, I mean any knowledge, opinion, or belief about the environment, about oneself, or about one's behavior. Cognitive dissonance can be seen as an antecedent condition which leads to activity oriented toward dissonance reduction just as hunger leads to activity oriented toward hunger reduction. He makes it clear that cognitive dissonance is the status of holding incongruous beliefs, NOT the status of discomfort. He states that cognitive dissonance CAUSES discomfort, and that people tend to seek to resolve that discomfort, but cognitive dissonance is not the discomfort itself. It is "the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago I cannot upvote your comments with insults but thank you (both) for this thread, especially for adding links and the meta layer that comes with the emotions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The comparison to hunger makes it clear to me. It isn't being compared to the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I see, you're fucking brain dead. Now this whole conversation makes sense. You literally cannot admit you are clearly wrong. Please go touch grass, you are pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll do it after I eat lunch because of the feeling of hunger, not the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Need that one more time? Here ya go In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Maybe if you read it ONE MORE TIME it will click for you In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Cognitive dissonance is the existence of nonfitting relations among cognition, not the feeling of discomfort arising from that. It is what you are suffering from right now. You have the evidence laid clearly in front of you, but you cherry pick one TINY tidbit and interpret it incorrectly so as to suit your needs. You KNOW you are wrong, and you are arguing in bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing in bad faith? You told me to go back to grade school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) And I'm saying YOUR usage is the colloquial usage. Just look at the very source of the term, Leon Festinger's "A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance" from 1957. here is a link Chapter 1, page 3. In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. By the term cognition, here and in the remainder of the book, I mean any knowledge, opinion, or belief about the environment, about oneself, or about one's behavior. Cognitive dissonance can be seen as an antecedent condition which leads to activity oriented toward dissonance reduction just as hunger leads to activity oriented toward hunger reduction. He makes it clear that cognitive dissonance is the status of holding incongruous beliefs, NOT the status of discomfort. He states that cognitive dissonance CAUSES discomfort, and that people tend to seek to resolve that discomfort, but cognitive dissonance is not the discomfort itself. It is "the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago I cannot upvote your comments with insults but thank you (both) for this thread, especially for adding links and the meta layer that comes with the emotions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The comparison to hunger makes it clear to me. It isn't being compared to the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I see, you're fucking brain dead. Now this whole conversation makes sense. You literally cannot admit you are clearly wrong. Please go touch grass, you are pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll do it after I eat lunch because of the feeling of hunger, not the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Need that one more time? Here ya go In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Maybe if you read it ONE MORE TIME it will click for you In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Cognitive dissonance is the existence of nonfitting relations among cognition, not the feeling of discomfort arising from that. It is what you are suffering from right now. You have the evidence laid clearly in front of you, but you cherry pick one TINY tidbit and interpret it incorrectly so as to suit your needs. You KNOW you are wrong, and you are arguing in bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing in bad faith? You told me to go back to grade school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago I cannot upvote your comments with insults but thank you (both) for this thread, especially for adding links and the meta layer that comes with the emotions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The comparison to hunger makes it clear to me. It isn't being compared to the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I see, you're fucking brain dead. Now this whole conversation makes sense. You literally cannot admit you are clearly wrong. Please go touch grass, you are pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll do it after I eat lunch because of the feeling of hunger, not the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Need that one more time? Here ya go In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Maybe if you read it ONE MORE TIME it will click for you In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Cognitive dissonance is the existence of nonfitting relations among cognition, not the feeling of discomfort arising from that. It is what you are suffering from right now. You have the evidence laid clearly in front of you, but you cherry pick one TINY tidbit and interpret it incorrectly so as to suit your needs. You KNOW you are wrong, and you are arguing in bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing in bad faith? You told me to go back to grade school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I see, you're fucking brain dead. Now this whole conversation makes sense. You literally cannot admit you are clearly wrong. Please go touch grass, you are pathetic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll do it after I eat lunch because of the feeling of hunger, not the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Need that one more time? Here ya go In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Maybe if you read it ONE MORE TIME it will click for you In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Cognitive dissonance is the existence of nonfitting relations among cognition, not the feeling of discomfort arising from that. It is what you are suffering from right now. You have the evidence laid clearly in front of you, but you cherry pick one TINY tidbit and interpret it incorrectly so as to suit your needs. You KNOW you are wrong, and you are arguing in bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing in bad faith? You told me to go back to grade school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll do it after I eat lunch because of the feeling of hunger, not the state of having an empty stomach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Need that one more time? Here ya go In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Maybe if you read it ONE MORE TIME it will click for you In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Cognitive dissonance is the existence of nonfitting relations among cognition, not the feeling of discomfort arising from that. It is what you are suffering from right now. You have the evidence laid clearly in front of you, but you cherry pick one TINY tidbit and interpret it incorrectly so as to suit your needs. You KNOW you are wrong, and you are arguing in bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing in bad faith? You told me to go back to grade school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Need that one more time? Here ya go In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Maybe if you read it ONE MORE TIME it will click for you In short, I am proposing that dissonance, that is, the existence of nonfitting relations among cognitions, is a motivating factor in it's own right. Cognitive dissonance is the existence of nonfitting relations among cognition, not the feeling of discomfort arising from that. It is what you are suffering from right now. You have the evidence laid clearly in front of you, but you cherry pick one TINY tidbit and interpret it incorrectly so as to suit your needs. You KNOW you are wrong, and you are arguing in bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing in bad faith? You told me to go back to grade school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm arguing in bad faith? You told me to go back to grade school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, because you clearly need it. You dont even know what bad faith is. Bad faith arguing is when you aren't actually working towards the resolution of the argument, but instead just making frivolous contradictions that you yourself probably dont even believe in, just to try and keep the other side from making a point. Insulting you is not bad faith. So, yeah, go back to school and actually pay attention this time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Insulting you is not bad faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CheezyWeezle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, it literally isn't. An insult is not mutually exclusive to a good faith argument, but you wouldn't know that because you clearly dont understand the concept. Go look up what bad faith argumentation is. permalink fedilink source parent