▲ 379 ▼ Musk’s Starlink hit with hours-long outage after rollout of T-Mobile satellite service (www.cnbc.com) submitted 1 year ago by vegeta@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 58 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 year ago (2 children) good hope it stays broken forever permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] r_deckard@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Thank you so much ! /s Come and join me where the options are many and the price is so cheap. /s /s If you'd like to experience what it's like to access the internet sans Starlink, perhaps you could just throttle your modem to 8 or even 10 Mbps. Yes? No? Then consider how lucky you are, and have some empathy for those of us who have little or no alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your options are limited not by random angry dude on the Internet, but by deliberate and calculated lack of development conspired between legislators and telecoms. Starlink will hit the limits imposed by physics and geometry, and then will get worse and worse the more people sign up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You seem to know a lot about these limits, can you elaborate? I don't think there are actual physics limitations on network capacity right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The limited bandwidth of practical microwaves shared by everyone in the footprint of a satellite, which is thousands of square kilometres. More satellites help, but since it hears the signals from every person on earth in its footprint, even if that person is connecting to a different satellite, there are limited gains when you reach the point where they have a lot of overlap - literally limited by geometry. Compare that with fiber, which allows for virtually unlimited unshared service bandwidth that can get faster as it’s built out and becomes more popular. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Beam steering largely mitigates most of these problems. Fiber is definitely more scalable, but also far more expensive (somehow...) to provide last mile to the entire planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) From orbit, whole regions are within a few degrees arc from the perspective of orbit. It’s not enough to overcome what is fundamentally a business hype problem. Starlink is wonderful tech for remote outposts, boats, disaster areas, emergency service workers, and things like that, but those customers would never pay enough to be profitable, so they have marketed it as general purpose internet, so it will get slower the more people sign up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, with the current network this is true. I guess it feels like you're discounting the future growth of the constellation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago More birds in orbit just hear more and more overlapping signals from the huge ground area they are over, and so share bandwidth. There’s a reason cell towers get lower and lower the more dense the population. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago push and advocate for municipal and community owned broadband permalink fedilink source parent [–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I know millions of people use their service because it's the only real option they have, but because it's associated with this one guy I don't like, they can all eat a dick!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) *one guy who is ruining the planet and purposely pushing laws that eradicate queer and trans people permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Them: "We need a strong central government to protect everyone!" Me: "Don't do that! If bad people get control there's gonna be trouble!" Them: "You just hate people!" votes for strong government Them when that strong government is then taken over by bad people: 😯 permalink fedilink source parent [+] Septimaeus@infosec.pub -2 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] r_deckard@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children) Thank you so much ! /s Come and join me where the options are many and the price is so cheap. /s /s If you'd like to experience what it's like to access the internet sans Starlink, perhaps you could just throttle your modem to 8 or even 10 Mbps. Yes? No? Then consider how lucky you are, and have some empathy for those of us who have little or no alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your options are limited not by random angry dude on the Internet, but by deliberate and calculated lack of development conspired between legislators and telecoms. Starlink will hit the limits imposed by physics and geometry, and then will get worse and worse the more people sign up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You seem to know a lot about these limits, can you elaborate? I don't think there are actual physics limitations on network capacity right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The limited bandwidth of practical microwaves shared by everyone in the footprint of a satellite, which is thousands of square kilometres. More satellites help, but since it hears the signals from every person on earth in its footprint, even if that person is connecting to a different satellite, there are limited gains when you reach the point where they have a lot of overlap - literally limited by geometry. Compare that with fiber, which allows for virtually unlimited unshared service bandwidth that can get faster as it’s built out and becomes more popular. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Beam steering largely mitigates most of these problems. Fiber is definitely more scalable, but also far more expensive (somehow...) to provide last mile to the entire planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) From orbit, whole regions are within a few degrees arc from the perspective of orbit. It’s not enough to overcome what is fundamentally a business hype problem. Starlink is wonderful tech for remote outposts, boats, disaster areas, emergency service workers, and things like that, but those customers would never pay enough to be profitable, so they have marketed it as general purpose internet, so it will get slower the more people sign up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, with the current network this is true. I guess it feels like you're discounting the future growth of the constellation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago More birds in orbit just hear more and more overlapping signals from the huge ground area they are over, and so share bandwidth. There’s a reason cell towers get lower and lower the more dense the population. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago push and advocate for municipal and community owned broadband permalink fedilink source parent [–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I know millions of people use their service because it's the only real option they have, but because it's associated with this one guy I don't like, they can all eat a dick!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) *one guy who is ruining the planet and purposely pushing laws that eradicate queer and trans people permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Them: "We need a strong central government to protect everyone!" Me: "Don't do that! If bad people get control there's gonna be trouble!" Them: "You just hate people!" votes for strong government Them when that strong government is then taken over by bad people: 😯 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Your options are limited not by random angry dude on the Internet, but by deliberate and calculated lack of development conspired between legislators and telecoms. Starlink will hit the limits imposed by physics and geometry, and then will get worse and worse the more people sign up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You seem to know a lot about these limits, can you elaborate? I don't think there are actual physics limitations on network capacity right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The limited bandwidth of practical microwaves shared by everyone in the footprint of a satellite, which is thousands of square kilometres. More satellites help, but since it hears the signals from every person on earth in its footprint, even if that person is connecting to a different satellite, there are limited gains when you reach the point where they have a lot of overlap - literally limited by geometry. Compare that with fiber, which allows for virtually unlimited unshared service bandwidth that can get faster as it’s built out and becomes more popular. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Beam steering largely mitigates most of these problems. Fiber is definitely more scalable, but also far more expensive (somehow...) to provide last mile to the entire planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) From orbit, whole regions are within a few degrees arc from the perspective of orbit. It’s not enough to overcome what is fundamentally a business hype problem. Starlink is wonderful tech for remote outposts, boats, disaster areas, emergency service workers, and things like that, but those customers would never pay enough to be profitable, so they have marketed it as general purpose internet, so it will get slower the more people sign up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, with the current network this is true. I guess it feels like you're discounting the future growth of the constellation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago More birds in orbit just hear more and more overlapping signals from the huge ground area they are over, and so share bandwidth. There’s a reason cell towers get lower and lower the more dense the population. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cole@lemdro.id -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) You seem to know a lot about these limits, can you elaborate? I don't think there are actual physics limitations on network capacity right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The limited bandwidth of practical microwaves shared by everyone in the footprint of a satellite, which is thousands of square kilometres. More satellites help, but since it hears the signals from every person on earth in its footprint, even if that person is connecting to a different satellite, there are limited gains when you reach the point where they have a lot of overlap - literally limited by geometry. Compare that with fiber, which allows for virtually unlimited unshared service bandwidth that can get faster as it’s built out and becomes more popular. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Beam steering largely mitigates most of these problems. Fiber is definitely more scalable, but also far more expensive (somehow...) to provide last mile to the entire planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) From orbit, whole regions are within a few degrees arc from the perspective of orbit. It’s not enough to overcome what is fundamentally a business hype problem. Starlink is wonderful tech for remote outposts, boats, disaster areas, emergency service workers, and things like that, but those customers would never pay enough to be profitable, so they have marketed it as general purpose internet, so it will get slower the more people sign up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, with the current network this is true. I guess it feels like you're discounting the future growth of the constellation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago More birds in orbit just hear more and more overlapping signals from the huge ground area they are over, and so share bandwidth. There’s a reason cell towers get lower and lower the more dense the population. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) The limited bandwidth of practical microwaves shared by everyone in the footprint of a satellite, which is thousands of square kilometres. More satellites help, but since it hears the signals from every person on earth in its footprint, even if that person is connecting to a different satellite, there are limited gains when you reach the point where they have a lot of overlap - literally limited by geometry. Compare that with fiber, which allows for virtually unlimited unshared service bandwidth that can get faster as it’s built out and becomes more popular. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Beam steering largely mitigates most of these problems. Fiber is definitely more scalable, but also far more expensive (somehow...) to provide last mile to the entire planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) From orbit, whole regions are within a few degrees arc from the perspective of orbit. It’s not enough to overcome what is fundamentally a business hype problem. Starlink is wonderful tech for remote outposts, boats, disaster areas, emergency service workers, and things like that, but those customers would never pay enough to be profitable, so they have marketed it as general purpose internet, so it will get slower the more people sign up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, with the current network this is true. I guess it feels like you're discounting the future growth of the constellation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago More birds in orbit just hear more and more overlapping signals from the huge ground area they are over, and so share bandwidth. There’s a reason cell towers get lower and lower the more dense the population. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Beam steering largely mitigates most of these problems. Fiber is definitely more scalable, but also far more expensive (somehow...) to provide last mile to the entire planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) From orbit, whole regions are within a few degrees arc from the perspective of orbit. It’s not enough to overcome what is fundamentally a business hype problem. Starlink is wonderful tech for remote outposts, boats, disaster areas, emergency service workers, and things like that, but those customers would never pay enough to be profitable, so they have marketed it as general purpose internet, so it will get slower the more people sign up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, with the current network this is true. I guess it feels like you're discounting the future growth of the constellation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago More birds in orbit just hear more and more overlapping signals from the huge ground area they are over, and so share bandwidth. There’s a reason cell towers get lower and lower the more dense the population. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) From orbit, whole regions are within a few degrees arc from the perspective of orbit. It’s not enough to overcome what is fundamentally a business hype problem. Starlink is wonderful tech for remote outposts, boats, disaster areas, emergency service workers, and things like that, but those customers would never pay enough to be profitable, so they have marketed it as general purpose internet, so it will get slower the more people sign up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, with the current network this is true. I guess it feels like you're discounting the future growth of the constellation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago More birds in orbit just hear more and more overlapping signals from the huge ground area they are over, and so share bandwidth. There’s a reason cell towers get lower and lower the more dense the population. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cole@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, with the current network this is true. I guess it feels like you're discounting the future growth of the constellation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago More birds in orbit just hear more and more overlapping signals from the huge ground area they are over, and so share bandwidth. There’s a reason cell towers get lower and lower the more dense the population. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago More birds in orbit just hear more and more overlapping signals from the huge ground area they are over, and so share bandwidth. There’s a reason cell towers get lower and lower the more dense the population. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago push and advocate for municipal and community owned broadband permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I know millions of people use their service because it's the only real option they have, but because it's associated with this one guy I don't like, they can all eat a dick!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) *one guy who is ruining the planet and purposely pushing laws that eradicate queer and trans people permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Them: "We need a strong central government to protect everyone!" Me: "Don't do that! If bad people get control there's gonna be trouble!" Them: "You just hate people!" votes for strong government Them when that strong government is then taken over by bad people: 😯 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) *one guy who is ruining the planet and purposely pushing laws that eradicate queer and trans people permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Them: "We need a strong central government to protect everyone!" Me: "Don't do that! If bad people get control there's gonna be trouble!" Them: "You just hate people!" votes for strong government Them when that strong government is then taken over by bad people: 😯 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Them: "We need a strong central government to protect everyone!" Me: "Don't do that! If bad people get control there's gonna be trouble!" Them: "You just hate people!" votes for strong government Them when that strong government is then taken over by bad people: 😯 permalink fedilink source parent