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Western media don't lie! --libs (lemmy.ml)
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[+] -11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

i'm not trying to convert anyone. you are. which you do constantly.

but for any reader who pops by, and the OP where this began before i interrupted your usual spiel, to know right away what you are.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    All of the readers who have popped by seem to be siding with me, that's why I question your strategy here. Your arguments have fallen so flat they've legitimized me, if that's not a strategic failure I'm not sure what is.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    again, you're being upped by the choir, mate. i wouldn't puff my chest out about that.

    but dude, the point is, get it all out clear in the open. that's all.

    you love the gulags and the authoritarians. just lead with that. i'd find it much more honest than what you do now.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've already got my stances all clear and out in the open, from my stances on the Soviet prison system to what "authoritarian" even means in practice. I'm a Marxist-Leninist, again my opinons are fairly standard for Marxist-Leninists. Again, who are you doing this for?

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    this is coming up better in the other thread, so lets continue to focus there.

    as for who i do this for, it's always for the pursuit of and elucidation of truth, for myself and for any who may find it useful in their own lives.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If it's for yourself, then you would do well to engage more with the arguments, rather than dismiss them outright. The point of the dialectical method is to come to a higher understanding by engaging with opposition, not avoiding it.

    Either way, I answered the other thread.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i would but i already don't trust you from our last attempt at this. that needs to be addressed first.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I fail to understand how trying to come to a better understanding through opposed argument works if you reject making arguments, but you do you.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i'm not going to overly commit if i think you're full of shit, deluded and/or acting in bad faith.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, I've made it clear that I think those have all applied to you thus far, yet I've still played my part in the game because I know it's more useful for onlookers to see the arguments than just dismissing the opportunity. If you truly believe me to be deluded and full of shit, bad-faith, etc, and know you're on a thread where more people will agree with me than disagree, then the only way your strategy works is if you engage with the arguments and win so thoroughly that they have to be acknowledged.

    In the absence of pushing back against my arguments, all you've done thus far is give me a free platform to share my views, and good sources for those who wish to see them.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    except i'm not trying to do any of what you seem to be accusing me?

    the whole point is to get more of the truth out, wherever it lands.

    i'm not the ideological one. you are.

    this is nothing more than a social interaction.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Both of us are ideological, whether that ideology be easily labeled or not. The truth is coming out, in my opinion, my point is that it's better accomplished when both sides engage equally.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    well, my intention today was not to question communism or defend capitalism. it was a contention that you were being disingenuous.

    and while i still don't agree with some of your conclusions in how you use your data, i am softened in my assessment of you.

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