▲ 231 ▼ Spain and Ireland to join more than 20 states to declare ‘concrete measures’ against Israel (www.middleeasteye.net) submitted 1 year ago by Saleh@feddit.org to c/europe@feddit.org 7 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Microw@piefed.zip -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) China, Indonesia and Turkey in a group of countries standing against genocide is.. not exactly optimal for the cause permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child) That's not the own you think it is. Instead: if even countries like China, Indonesia and Turkey can stand against the Gaza Genocide, what the fuckity fuck is stopping YOUR country for standing against it? Like, remember when Al Qaeda condemned Isis as being too extreme? That really tells you something about Isis, doesn't it? Edit: disclosure, my own ancestors were butchered by the Turks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Microw@piefed.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) China stands against it because it is geopoliticially helpful. They still carry out a cultural genocide against Tibetans and Uyghurs. Turkey and Indonesia stand against it because that is popular with their population. They still suppress Kurds, Syrians, and Papuans. And I know why my country is not publicly standing against it. Because they know that with the ties it has to Israel, there are better ways behind closed doors to pressure Israel. If we go publicly against them they will completely turn on us. Do I think that strategy is working? Not really. But trying it isn't dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Let's acknowledge that that's a framing that assigns bad faith to one group of countries and good faith to another, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Microw@piefed.zip 2 points 1 year ago Oh yeah absolutely permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child) That's not the own you think it is. Instead: if even countries like China, Indonesia and Turkey can stand against the Gaza Genocide, what the fuckity fuck is stopping YOUR country for standing against it? Like, remember when Al Qaeda condemned Isis as being too extreme? That really tells you something about Isis, doesn't it? Edit: disclosure, my own ancestors were butchered by the Turks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Microw@piefed.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) China stands against it because it is geopoliticially helpful. They still carry out a cultural genocide against Tibetans and Uyghurs. Turkey and Indonesia stand against it because that is popular with their population. They still suppress Kurds, Syrians, and Papuans. And I know why my country is not publicly standing against it. Because they know that with the ties it has to Israel, there are better ways behind closed doors to pressure Israel. If we go publicly against them they will completely turn on us. Do I think that strategy is working? Not really. But trying it isn't dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Let's acknowledge that that's a framing that assigns bad faith to one group of countries and good faith to another, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Microw@piefed.zip 2 points 1 year ago Oh yeah absolutely permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Microw@piefed.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) China stands against it because it is geopoliticially helpful. They still carry out a cultural genocide against Tibetans and Uyghurs. Turkey and Indonesia stand against it because that is popular with their population. They still suppress Kurds, Syrians, and Papuans. And I know why my country is not publicly standing against it. Because they know that with the ties it has to Israel, there are better ways behind closed doors to pressure Israel. If we go publicly against them they will completely turn on us. Do I think that strategy is working? Not really. But trying it isn't dumb. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Let's acknowledge that that's a framing that assigns bad faith to one group of countries and good faith to another, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Microw@piefed.zip 2 points 1 year ago Oh yeah absolutely permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Let's acknowledge that that's a framing that assigns bad faith to one group of countries and good faith to another, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Microw@piefed.zip 2 points 1 year ago Oh yeah absolutely permalink fedilink source parent