▲ 1060 ▼ Trump says it was 'my decision' to try to overturn 2020 election results | CNN Politics (www.cnn.com) submitted 2 years ago by kescusay@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 121 comments fedilink hide all child comments There it is, plain as day. He literally just admitted to his crimes.
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 120 points 2 years ago (5 children) Wow he really did say it. If he isn't found guilty I'll lose any faith I have remaining in our justice system. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago (2 children) I mean. There's always been a very different justice system for the rich v poor. I'm not expecting much. Slap on the wrist, a little community service that he can pawn off or do in some cushy way. Maybe I'm setting my hopes low, so as to avoid the fall of it does actually turn out that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Exactly what I'm afraid of. Something like that will not deter anyone else that's smarter than him to try again. I really hate to say it, but he needs to be made an example of. He's admitting the crime he's accused of doing. And he's a former president. It's a scary time for the U.S. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Home of the brave tho, right? Right? RIGHT?!? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] minorninth@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Usually rich people get out of stuff by hiring smart lawyers and listening to what they say, though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago I would caution you against having any expectations. permalink fedilink source parent [–] solstice@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Certainly does feel like a pivotal time in the republic doesn't it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's interesting a little to me, because growing up everyone has known the system sucks ass. But until Trump I don't think anyone realized how it sucked ass in a different way. There's no shadow government. There's no Big Plan. No one is pulling strings. It's just assholes being assholes. And whoever has the most assholes in seats is the current winner. It's King of the Hill for people that peaked during highschool. All these alt right morons are living in a fantasy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (3 children) There’s no shadow government. There’s no Big Plan. No one is pulling strings. It’s just assholes being assholes. I had the sense before the 2016 election that even some on the left kinda had this impression. That somehow Hilary would be automatically elected, or that there was some mechanism to prevent someone like Trump from getting in there or doing much damage. It's been made very clear to me that nothing much is preventing the country from being run straight into the ground provided the person doing so is elected president. There are no guardrails. The country isn't baby proofed in any way. Whoever you put in there is literally and figuratively working with live ammo, and the American public will not be safe from them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Exactly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago There are no guardrails. The country isn’t baby proofed in any way. Whoever you put in there is literally and figuratively working with live ammo. Well yeah, the whole set up is based on the premise that the populace wouldn't elect an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Have you considered the possibility that any deep state actors (that may or may not exist) actually crave the type of destabilizing force that Trump represents? Counter to the fairlytales, a country divided is a country easily ruled. If you can sew enough division, using fear as a weapon is much easier. What better pawn to install as President than Donald fucking Trump? They knew his debts. They knew the people who had dirt on him. They knew he was incompetent. They knew he was easily controlled. They knew he was for sale. This isn't rocket science and I'm pretty sure history will eventually prove me right. He's a weak little piece of shit. A dog that does as he's told by his masters, including the current line to tow in his definitely 100% real legal dramas. It's all theatre. Barely better acted than American wrestling. Your former president is simultaneously fighting to stay out of prison whilst doing his best to run for president again? Please. Vince McMahon would be proud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CaptainAniki@lemmy.flight-crew.org 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) The big problem is that he still has influence over people that will cause trouble in streets if something happens to him. Not different to that time Mexico had to let go of El Chapo's son because cartel soldiers started causing trouble to get him back. Any other nobody could have their rights violated left and right and no one would stand up for them. If the government tries to do something and then has an uprising it proves they don't have a monopoly on violence and that could have other knock on political effects. Case in point why solidarity is so powerful and unions are fought tooth and nail. These alt right guys are just too far in to deal with the normal tools of the state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eh I'm not worried about the cosplay weekend warriors. The ones that were on Capital Hill are being punished. If they try anything again they'll be punished again. It's all talk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eh I’m not worried about the cosplay weekend warriors I mean I don't want to give them too much credibility, but they can still cause a lot of pain if they wanted too. Especially if they turn to stochastic terrorism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago If they do, and I'm sure a rare few might, they won't succeed. Have you ever seen the videos they made before Jan 6th? Half of them had their moms with them, the rest were older idiots that've never done anything else in thier lives. There won't be a civil war from these people. But they do need to be shut down so there isn't a next generation wave of them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Too bad - lock him up. And anyone that wants to start some shit over it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I honestly think the bigger worry is our complete inability to have any control over the police in this country combined with what the average policeman thinks of Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What did he say though? In the text quotes he just says he decided that the election was rigged, he doesn't say that he knew those claims were false. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago there's already a lot of evidence showing that he was told by multiple people that it was not rigged including his own election security team permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LavaPlanet@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago (2 children) I mean. There's always been a very different justice system for the rich v poor. I'm not expecting much. Slap on the wrist, a little community service that he can pawn off or do in some cushy way. Maybe I'm setting my hopes low, so as to avoid the fall of it does actually turn out that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Exactly what I'm afraid of. Something like that will not deter anyone else that's smarter than him to try again. I really hate to say it, but he needs to be made an example of. He's admitting the crime he's accused of doing. And he's a former president. It's a scary time for the U.S. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Home of the brave tho, right? Right? RIGHT?!? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] minorninth@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Usually rich people get out of stuff by hiring smart lawyers and listening to what they say, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Exactly what I'm afraid of. Something like that will not deter anyone else that's smarter than him to try again. I really hate to say it, but he needs to be made an example of. He's admitting the crime he's accused of doing. And he's a former president. It's a scary time for the U.S. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Home of the brave tho, right? Right? RIGHT?!? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago Home of the brave tho, right? Right? RIGHT?!? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] minorninth@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Usually rich people get out of stuff by hiring smart lawyers and listening to what they say, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago I would caution you against having any expectations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] solstice@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Certainly does feel like a pivotal time in the republic doesn't it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's interesting a little to me, because growing up everyone has known the system sucks ass. But until Trump I don't think anyone realized how it sucked ass in a different way. There's no shadow government. There's no Big Plan. No one is pulling strings. It's just assholes being assholes. And whoever has the most assholes in seats is the current winner. It's King of the Hill for people that peaked during highschool. All these alt right morons are living in a fantasy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (3 children) There’s no shadow government. There’s no Big Plan. No one is pulling strings. It’s just assholes being assholes. I had the sense before the 2016 election that even some on the left kinda had this impression. That somehow Hilary would be automatically elected, or that there was some mechanism to prevent someone like Trump from getting in there or doing much damage. It's been made very clear to me that nothing much is preventing the country from being run straight into the ground provided the person doing so is elected president. There are no guardrails. The country isn't baby proofed in any way. Whoever you put in there is literally and figuratively working with live ammo, and the American public will not be safe from them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Exactly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago There are no guardrails. The country isn’t baby proofed in any way. Whoever you put in there is literally and figuratively working with live ammo. Well yeah, the whole set up is based on the premise that the populace wouldn't elect an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Have you considered the possibility that any deep state actors (that may or may not exist) actually crave the type of destabilizing force that Trump represents? Counter to the fairlytales, a country divided is a country easily ruled. If you can sew enough division, using fear as a weapon is much easier. What better pawn to install as President than Donald fucking Trump? They knew his debts. They knew the people who had dirt on him. They knew he was incompetent. They knew he was easily controlled. They knew he was for sale. This isn't rocket science and I'm pretty sure history will eventually prove me right. He's a weak little piece of shit. A dog that does as he's told by his masters, including the current line to tow in his definitely 100% real legal dramas. It's all theatre. Barely better acted than American wrestling. Your former president is simultaneously fighting to stay out of prison whilst doing his best to run for president again? Please. Vince McMahon would be proud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CaptainAniki@lemmy.flight-crew.org 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's interesting a little to me, because growing up everyone has known the system sucks ass. But until Trump I don't think anyone realized how it sucked ass in a different way. There's no shadow government. There's no Big Plan. No one is pulling strings. It's just assholes being assholes. And whoever has the most assholes in seats is the current winner. It's King of the Hill for people that peaked during highschool. All these alt right morons are living in a fantasy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (3 children) There’s no shadow government. There’s no Big Plan. No one is pulling strings. It’s just assholes being assholes. I had the sense before the 2016 election that even some on the left kinda had this impression. That somehow Hilary would be automatically elected, or that there was some mechanism to prevent someone like Trump from getting in there or doing much damage. It's been made very clear to me that nothing much is preventing the country from being run straight into the ground provided the person doing so is elected president. There are no guardrails. The country isn't baby proofed in any way. Whoever you put in there is literally and figuratively working with live ammo, and the American public will not be safe from them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Exactly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago There are no guardrails. The country isn’t baby proofed in any way. Whoever you put in there is literally and figuratively working with live ammo. Well yeah, the whole set up is based on the premise that the populace wouldn't elect an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Have you considered the possibility that any deep state actors (that may or may not exist) actually crave the type of destabilizing force that Trump represents? Counter to the fairlytales, a country divided is a country easily ruled. If you can sew enough division, using fear as a weapon is much easier. What better pawn to install as President than Donald fucking Trump? They knew his debts. They knew the people who had dirt on him. They knew he was incompetent. They knew he was easily controlled. They knew he was for sale. This isn't rocket science and I'm pretty sure history will eventually prove me right. He's a weak little piece of shit. A dog that does as he's told by his masters, including the current line to tow in his definitely 100% real legal dramas. It's all theatre. Barely better acted than American wrestling. Your former president is simultaneously fighting to stay out of prison whilst doing his best to run for president again? Please. Vince McMahon would be proud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CaptainAniki@lemmy.flight-crew.org 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (3 children) There’s no shadow government. There’s no Big Plan. No one is pulling strings. It’s just assholes being assholes. I had the sense before the 2016 election that even some on the left kinda had this impression. That somehow Hilary would be automatically elected, or that there was some mechanism to prevent someone like Trump from getting in there or doing much damage. It's been made very clear to me that nothing much is preventing the country from being run straight into the ground provided the person doing so is elected president. There are no guardrails. The country isn't baby proofed in any way. Whoever you put in there is literally and figuratively working with live ammo, and the American public will not be safe from them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Exactly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago There are no guardrails. The country isn’t baby proofed in any way. Whoever you put in there is literally and figuratively working with live ammo. Well yeah, the whole set up is based on the premise that the populace wouldn't elect an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Have you considered the possibility that any deep state actors (that may or may not exist) actually crave the type of destabilizing force that Trump represents? Counter to the fairlytales, a country divided is a country easily ruled. If you can sew enough division, using fear as a weapon is much easier. What better pawn to install as President than Donald fucking Trump? They knew his debts. They knew the people who had dirt on him. They knew he was incompetent. They knew he was easily controlled. They knew he was for sale. This isn't rocket science and I'm pretty sure history will eventually prove me right. He's a weak little piece of shit. A dog that does as he's told by his masters, including the current line to tow in his definitely 100% real legal dramas. It's all theatre. Barely better acted than American wrestling. Your former president is simultaneously fighting to stay out of prison whilst doing his best to run for president again? Please. Vince McMahon would be proud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CaptainAniki@lemmy.flight-crew.org 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago There are no guardrails. The country isn’t baby proofed in any way. Whoever you put in there is literally and figuratively working with live ammo. Well yeah, the whole set up is based on the premise that the populace wouldn't elect an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Have you considered the possibility that any deep state actors (that may or may not exist) actually crave the type of destabilizing force that Trump represents? Counter to the fairlytales, a country divided is a country easily ruled. If you can sew enough division, using fear as a weapon is much easier. What better pawn to install as President than Donald fucking Trump? They knew his debts. They knew the people who had dirt on him. They knew he was incompetent. They knew he was easily controlled. They knew he was for sale. This isn't rocket science and I'm pretty sure history will eventually prove me right. He's a weak little piece of shit. A dog that does as he's told by his masters, including the current line to tow in his definitely 100% real legal dramas. It's all theatre. Barely better acted than American wrestling. Your former president is simultaneously fighting to stay out of prison whilst doing his best to run for president again? Please. Vince McMahon would be proud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CaptainAniki@lemmy.flight-crew.org 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CaptainAniki@lemmy.flight-crew.org 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) The big problem is that he still has influence over people that will cause trouble in streets if something happens to him. Not different to that time Mexico had to let go of El Chapo's son because cartel soldiers started causing trouble to get him back. Any other nobody could have their rights violated left and right and no one would stand up for them. If the government tries to do something and then has an uprising it proves they don't have a monopoly on violence and that could have other knock on political effects. Case in point why solidarity is so powerful and unions are fought tooth and nail. These alt right guys are just too far in to deal with the normal tools of the state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eh I'm not worried about the cosplay weekend warriors. The ones that were on Capital Hill are being punished. If they try anything again they'll be punished again. It's all talk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eh I’m not worried about the cosplay weekend warriors I mean I don't want to give them too much credibility, but they can still cause a lot of pain if they wanted too. Especially if they turn to stochastic terrorism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago If they do, and I'm sure a rare few might, they won't succeed. Have you ever seen the videos they made before Jan 6th? Half of them had their moms with them, the rest were older idiots that've never done anything else in thier lives. There won't be a civil war from these people. But they do need to be shut down so there isn't a next generation wave of them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Too bad - lock him up. And anyone that wants to start some shit over it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I honestly think the bigger worry is our complete inability to have any control over the police in this country combined with what the average policeman thinks of Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eh I'm not worried about the cosplay weekend warriors. The ones that were on Capital Hill are being punished. If they try anything again they'll be punished again. It's all talk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eh I’m not worried about the cosplay weekend warriors I mean I don't want to give them too much credibility, but they can still cause a lot of pain if they wanted too. Especially if they turn to stochastic terrorism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago If they do, and I'm sure a rare few might, they won't succeed. Have you ever seen the videos they made before Jan 6th? Half of them had their moms with them, the rest were older idiots that've never done anything else in thier lives. There won't be a civil war from these people. But they do need to be shut down so there isn't a next generation wave of them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Eh I’m not worried about the cosplay weekend warriors I mean I don't want to give them too much credibility, but they can still cause a lot of pain if they wanted too. Especially if they turn to stochastic terrorism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago If they do, and I'm sure a rare few might, they won't succeed. Have you ever seen the videos they made before Jan 6th? Half of them had their moms with them, the rest were older idiots that've never done anything else in thier lives. There won't be a civil war from these people. But they do need to be shut down so there isn't a next generation wave of them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago If they do, and I'm sure a rare few might, they won't succeed. Have you ever seen the videos they made before Jan 6th? Half of them had their moms with them, the rest were older idiots that've never done anything else in thier lives. There won't be a civil war from these people. But they do need to be shut down so there isn't a next generation wave of them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Too bad - lock him up. And anyone that wants to start some shit over it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I honestly think the bigger worry is our complete inability to have any control over the police in this country combined with what the average policeman thinks of Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What did he say though? In the text quotes he just says he decided that the election was rigged, he doesn't say that he knew those claims were false. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago there's already a lot of evidence showing that he was told by multiple people that it was not rigged including his own election security team permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago there's already a lot of evidence showing that he was told by multiple people that it was not rigged including his own election security team permalink fedilink source parent