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[+] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 year ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (5 children) "Hamas has denied its forces committed sexual violence against women or mistreated female hostages. However, a UN mission concluded in March 2024 that there were "reasonable grounds" to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the 7 October attack in multiple locations, including rape and gang rape, and that there was "convincing information" that hostages had been subjected to sexual violence, including rape and sexualised torture." Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mz8gxzg82o permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) One really, really important caveat here is that, The report said that "despite concerted efforts to encourage" victims to come forward, the team was unable to interview any of them. The UN mission was able to review reports, photos, and videos all provided by the Israeli gov't, but couldn't find a single victim willing to go on the record. That's really, really fuckin' suspicious. If the sexual violence was systematic, the way that the Israeli gov't claims, how is it that not even one person is willing to personally talk about it with a UN team? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Naryn@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Why would any Israeli ever consent to talking to a UN team which is blatantly anti-Semitic, anti Israeli and pro Hamas exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 1 year ago The UN is extremely pro Israel. It is desperate to confirm the Israeli rape hoax. permalink fedilink source parent [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago So, UN experts then. Seems more trustworthy than Israeli experts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Why link to the UK state media outlet, rather than directly to the UN report? permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) This is not a mandated UN mission. Simply a visit from a propagandist. It is like calling statements from Francesca Albanese "undeniable evidence." But even the Patten report, no matter how much it tried to obscure it, concluded there was no evidence of any rape except "anonymous witnesses". Which it did not verify because Israel blocked it. Patten is literally repeating statements the IDF and Israeli newspapers. Nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Im sure it happened and thats fucking horrible, but what Israel (and the headline) is claiming, is that it was everywhere and part of hamas orders. In reality, according to the number of verifiable reports, it was no more than rape cases in every other invasion elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Its infinitely unlikely that there were zero rape cases. Where there is war and men, there is rape. This has been true for thousands of years. Its just nowhere near as big of a widespread issue as Israel makes it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) Rape does not happen during a raid. It happens after a raid. The notion that men will raid a place and start raping people while helicopters are shooting at them is ludicrously stupid. If any rape had happened it would have happened to captives. Which it did not. Because Hamas is not a genocidal rape cult like the IDF. Screaming rape about Hamas is straight blood libel against Palestinians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Believe all women, except when it’s Jewish women, who I hate. /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago Tell me a name of a woman who claims she was raped. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago You see, the entire world is against Israel, so if anyone but Israel says something about Israel it's a lie. Except when it's something good, they make an exception for the rare instance this happens permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (5 children) "Hamas has denied its forces committed sexual violence against women or mistreated female hostages. However, a UN mission concluded in March 2024 that there were "reasonable grounds" to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the 7 October attack in multiple locations, including rape and gang rape, and that there was "convincing information" that hostages had been subjected to sexual violence, including rape and sexualised torture." Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mz8gxzg82o permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) One really, really important caveat here is that, The report said that "despite concerted efforts to encourage" victims to come forward, the team was unable to interview any of them. The UN mission was able to review reports, photos, and videos all provided by the Israeli gov't, but couldn't find a single victim willing to go on the record. That's really, really fuckin' suspicious. If the sexual violence was systematic, the way that the Israeli gov't claims, how is it that not even one person is willing to personally talk about it with a UN team? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Naryn@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Why would any Israeli ever consent to talking to a UN team which is blatantly anti-Semitic, anti Israeli and pro Hamas exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 1 year ago The UN is extremely pro Israel. It is desperate to confirm the Israeli rape hoax. permalink fedilink source parent [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago So, UN experts then. Seems more trustworthy than Israeli experts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Why link to the UK state media outlet, rather than directly to the UN report? permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) This is not a mandated UN mission. Simply a visit from a propagandist. It is like calling statements from Francesca Albanese "undeniable evidence." But even the Patten report, no matter how much it tried to obscure it, concluded there was no evidence of any rape except "anonymous witnesses". Which it did not verify because Israel blocked it. Patten is literally repeating statements the IDF and Israeli newspapers. Nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Im sure it happened and thats fucking horrible, but what Israel (and the headline) is claiming, is that it was everywhere and part of hamas orders. In reality, according to the number of verifiable reports, it was no more than rape cases in every other invasion elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Its infinitely unlikely that there were zero rape cases. Where there is war and men, there is rape. This has been true for thousands of years. Its just nowhere near as big of a widespread issue as Israel makes it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) Rape does not happen during a raid. It happens after a raid. The notion that men will raid a place and start raping people while helicopters are shooting at them is ludicrously stupid. If any rape had happened it would have happened to captives. Which it did not. Because Hamas is not a genocidal rape cult like the IDF. Screaming rape about Hamas is straight blood libel against Palestinians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Believe all women, except when it’s Jewish women, who I hate. /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago Tell me a name of a woman who claims she was raped. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) One really, really important caveat here is that, The report said that "despite concerted efforts to encourage" victims to come forward, the team was unable to interview any of them. The UN mission was able to review reports, photos, and videos all provided by the Israeli gov't, but couldn't find a single victim willing to go on the record. That's really, really fuckin' suspicious. If the sexual violence was systematic, the way that the Israeli gov't claims, how is it that not even one person is willing to personally talk about it with a UN team? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Naryn@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Why would any Israeli ever consent to talking to a UN team which is blatantly anti-Semitic, anti Israeli and pro Hamas exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 1 year ago The UN is extremely pro Israel. It is desperate to confirm the Israeli rape hoax. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Naryn@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Why would any Israeli ever consent to talking to a UN team which is blatantly anti-Semitic, anti Israeli and pro Hamas exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 1 year ago The UN is extremely pro Israel. It is desperate to confirm the Israeli rape hoax. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 1 year ago The UN is extremely pro Israel. It is desperate to confirm the Israeli rape hoax. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago So, UN experts then. Seems more trustworthy than Israeli experts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Why link to the UK state media outlet, rather than directly to the UN report? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) This is not a mandated UN mission. Simply a visit from a propagandist. It is like calling statements from Francesca Albanese "undeniable evidence." But even the Patten report, no matter how much it tried to obscure it, concluded there was no evidence of any rape except "anonymous witnesses". Which it did not verify because Israel blocked it. Patten is literally repeating statements the IDF and Israeli newspapers. Nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Im sure it happened and thats fucking horrible, but what Israel (and the headline) is claiming, is that it was everywhere and part of hamas orders. In reality, according to the number of verifiable reports, it was no more than rape cases in every other invasion elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Its infinitely unlikely that there were zero rape cases. Where there is war and men, there is rape. This has been true for thousands of years. Its just nowhere near as big of a widespread issue as Israel makes it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) Rape does not happen during a raid. It happens after a raid. The notion that men will raid a place and start raping people while helicopters are shooting at them is ludicrously stupid. If any rape had happened it would have happened to captives. Which it did not. Because Hamas is not a genocidal rape cult like the IDF. Screaming rape about Hamas is straight blood libel against Palestinians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Believe all women, except when it’s Jewish women, who I hate. /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago Tell me a name of a woman who claims she was raped. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Its infinitely unlikely that there were zero rape cases. Where there is war and men, there is rape. This has been true for thousands of years. Its just nowhere near as big of a widespread issue as Israel makes it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) Rape does not happen during a raid. It happens after a raid. The notion that men will raid a place and start raping people while helicopters are shooting at them is ludicrously stupid. If any rape had happened it would have happened to captives. Which it did not. Because Hamas is not a genocidal rape cult like the IDF. Screaming rape about Hamas is straight blood libel against Palestinians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Believe all women, except when it’s Jewish women, who I hate. /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago Tell me a name of a woman who claims she was raped. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Its infinitely unlikely that there were zero rape cases. Where there is war and men, there is rape. This has been true for thousands of years. Its just nowhere near as big of a widespread issue as Israel makes it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) Rape does not happen during a raid. It happens after a raid. The notion that men will raid a place and start raping people while helicopters are shooting at them is ludicrously stupid. If any rape had happened it would have happened to captives. Which it did not. Because Hamas is not a genocidal rape cult like the IDF. Screaming rape about Hamas is straight blood libel against Palestinians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Believe all women, except when it’s Jewish women, who I hate. /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago Tell me a name of a woman who claims she was raped. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) Rape does not happen during a raid. It happens after a raid. The notion that men will raid a place and start raping people while helicopters are shooting at them is ludicrously stupid. If any rape had happened it would have happened to captives. Which it did not. Because Hamas is not a genocidal rape cult like the IDF. Screaming rape about Hamas is straight blood libel against Palestinians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Believe all women, except when it’s Jewish women, who I hate. /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago Tell me a name of a woman who claims she was raped. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Believe all women, except when it’s Jewish women, who I hate. /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago Tell me a name of a woman who claims she was raped. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago Tell me a name of a woman who claims she was raped. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago You see, the entire world is against Israel, so if anyone but Israel says something about Israel it's a lie. Except when it's something good, they make an exception for the rare instance this happens permalink fedilink source parent