▲ 2 ▼ The successful 70-year campaign to convince people the USA and not the USSR beat Hitler (www.vox.com) submitted 3 years ago by yogthos@lemmy.ml to c/history@lemmy.ml 6 comments fedilink hide all child comments US propaganda machine in action
[–] muntelaar@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Whats the saying about what won the war? British Intel American Steel Soviet Blood permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Fun fact that a book produced by US military makes it pretty clear that allies played a minor role in the war and that USSR would have won all on their own. a few quotes from it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oehm@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) That says it would’ve taken 12-18 months of additional intense bloodshed for the USSR. That doesn’t seem insignificant permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Sure, my point is that the west did not play a decisive role in the outcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Akasazh@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (1 child) This kind of historiography is incredibly speculative. There is a reason those kinds of questions have their own copy paste answer on askhistorians. You can speculate endlessly about what would've happened if the USA and GB would have done nothing at all. Like the source states, the second battle of El-Alamein was incredibly significant and denied Germany the middle eastern oilfields for its parched panzers. Maybe with no American activity Japan might have an appetite for some Manchuria. We can go on forever. Btw the source you linked doesn't speak of the program you suggest in your title. You could de-editorialize the title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 3 years ago The title is literally the title the Vox article has. Meanwhile, if anybody has a good idea of what the likely outcome of the war would've been, it's certainly the US military. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Fun fact that a book produced by US military makes it pretty clear that allies played a minor role in the war and that USSR would have won all on their own. a few quotes from it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oehm@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) That says it would’ve taken 12-18 months of additional intense bloodshed for the USSR. That doesn’t seem insignificant permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Sure, my point is that the west did not play a decisive role in the outcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Akasazh@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (1 child) This kind of historiography is incredibly speculative. There is a reason those kinds of questions have their own copy paste answer on askhistorians. You can speculate endlessly about what would've happened if the USA and GB would have done nothing at all. Like the source states, the second battle of El-Alamein was incredibly significant and denied Germany the middle eastern oilfields for its parched panzers. Maybe with no American activity Japan might have an appetite for some Manchuria. We can go on forever. Btw the source you linked doesn't speak of the program you suggest in your title. You could de-editorialize the title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 3 years ago The title is literally the title the Vox article has. Meanwhile, if anybody has a good idea of what the likely outcome of the war would've been, it's certainly the US military. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] oehm@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) That says it would’ve taken 12-18 months of additional intense bloodshed for the USSR. That doesn’t seem insignificant permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Sure, my point is that the west did not play a decisive role in the outcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Akasazh@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (1 child) This kind of historiography is incredibly speculative. There is a reason those kinds of questions have their own copy paste answer on askhistorians. You can speculate endlessly about what would've happened if the USA and GB would have done nothing at all. Like the source states, the second battle of El-Alamein was incredibly significant and denied Germany the middle eastern oilfields for its parched panzers. Maybe with no American activity Japan might have an appetite for some Manchuria. We can go on forever. Btw the source you linked doesn't speak of the program you suggest in your title. You could de-editorialize the title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 3 years ago The title is literally the title the Vox article has. Meanwhile, if anybody has a good idea of what the likely outcome of the war would've been, it's certainly the US military. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Sure, my point is that the west did not play a decisive role in the outcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Akasazh@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (1 child) This kind of historiography is incredibly speculative. There is a reason those kinds of questions have their own copy paste answer on askhistorians. You can speculate endlessly about what would've happened if the USA and GB would have done nothing at all. Like the source states, the second battle of El-Alamein was incredibly significant and denied Germany the middle eastern oilfields for its parched panzers. Maybe with no American activity Japan might have an appetite for some Manchuria. We can go on forever. Btw the source you linked doesn't speak of the program you suggest in your title. You could de-editorialize the title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 3 years ago The title is literally the title the Vox article has. Meanwhile, if anybody has a good idea of what the likely outcome of the war would've been, it's certainly the US military. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Akasazh@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago* (1 child) This kind of historiography is incredibly speculative. There is a reason those kinds of questions have their own copy paste answer on askhistorians. You can speculate endlessly about what would've happened if the USA and GB would have done nothing at all. Like the source states, the second battle of El-Alamein was incredibly significant and denied Germany the middle eastern oilfields for its parched panzers. Maybe with no American activity Japan might have an appetite for some Manchuria. We can go on forever. Btw the source you linked doesn't speak of the program you suggest in your title. You could de-editorialize the title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 3 years ago The title is literally the title the Vox article has. Meanwhile, if anybody has a good idea of what the likely outcome of the war would've been, it's certainly the US military. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 3 years ago The title is literally the title the Vox article has. Meanwhile, if anybody has a good idea of what the likely outcome of the war would've been, it's certainly the US military. permalink fedilink source parent