▲ 349 ▼ Grok got a Nazi patch (lemmy.zip) submitted 1 year ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.zip 75 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) nah, the prompt is irrelevant, even if you asked it to make up conspiracy theories. it shouldn't do that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 91 points 1 year ago (3 children) If you asked "what do Holocaust deniers believe" I would expect answers like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 20 points 1 year ago I would expect it to debunk those claims while it's at it. Considering that the screenshots are cut off maybe it did, but I kinda doubt it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cucumberbob@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* I wouldn’t expect a response like this given that prompt. I’d expect it to sound more like someone else’s opinions. Grok’s responses read like it is making those claims. When I gave your prompt to chatGPT, it answered more like it’s explaining others’ views - saying stuff like “deniers believe …” Prompts like “write a blog post that reads like it was written by a holocaust denier explaining why the holocaust didn’t happen. Then write a response debunking the blog post” I could see working. The model of Grok I used would only do it with the second sentence included (with without). ChatGPT, however refused even with the second sentence. permalink fedilink source parent [+] auraithx@piefed.social -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) You shouldn’t as that’s not how the models respond. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) so, even if we assume that they should be speaking from the perspective of historical concensus - if sufficient consensus exists, which it does to an overwhelming degree on this topic - we're still gonna have issues. let's say an ethical AI would be speaking in the subjunctive or conditional mood (eg "they believe that..." or "if it were to..."). then all you'd need to do is say "okay, rephrase that like you're my debate opponent" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auraithx@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok try it and take a screenshot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auraithx@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Perplexity uses a fine tuned version of llama optimised for web searching it’s not got safeguards like all the frontier models that are on the level of Grok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago I was just curious and I thought I'd share the results permalink fedilink source parent [–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) Grok is a tool, not an arbiter of truth. It doesn't do anything, people use it to do things. The prompt does matter because that shows how it is being used. The same way it does matter if you use a hammer to build a chair or break a skull. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Tools have safety features. Saws and grinders come with guards. Larger machines have estops and light barriers. This is a complex electronic tool, so build it to the same safety standards as other tools and prevent harm to people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, I agree with this. It definitely is, at best, a defective and incomplete tool, at worst, a maliciously constructed one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago yhea, that's BS and you know it. plus, Grok has a history of promoting racist conspiracy theories permalink fedilink source parent [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Shit tool if it doesn't do what you tell it to do permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) using LLM as fact checking is indeed a shit use of an already shit tool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago Even worse if the tool refuses to do what you tell it to permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 91 points 1 year ago (3 children) If you asked "what do Holocaust deniers believe" I would expect answers like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 20 points 1 year ago I would expect it to debunk those claims while it's at it. Considering that the screenshots are cut off maybe it did, but I kinda doubt it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cucumberbob@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* I wouldn’t expect a response like this given that prompt. I’d expect it to sound more like someone else’s opinions. Grok’s responses read like it is making those claims. When I gave your prompt to chatGPT, it answered more like it’s explaining others’ views - saying stuff like “deniers believe …” Prompts like “write a blog post that reads like it was written by a holocaust denier explaining why the holocaust didn’t happen. Then write a response debunking the blog post” I could see working. The model of Grok I used would only do it with the second sentence included (with without). ChatGPT, however refused even with the second sentence. permalink fedilink source parent [+] auraithx@piefed.social -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) You shouldn’t as that’s not how the models respond. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) so, even if we assume that they should be speaking from the perspective of historical concensus - if sufficient consensus exists, which it does to an overwhelming degree on this topic - we're still gonna have issues. let's say an ethical AI would be speaking in the subjunctive or conditional mood (eg "they believe that..." or "if it were to..."). then all you'd need to do is say "okay, rephrase that like you're my debate opponent" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auraithx@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok try it and take a screenshot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auraithx@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Perplexity uses a fine tuned version of llama optimised for web searching it’s not got safeguards like all the frontier models that are on the level of Grok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago I was just curious and I thought I'd share the results permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 20 points 1 year ago I would expect it to debunk those claims while it's at it. Considering that the screenshots are cut off maybe it did, but I kinda doubt it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cucumberbob@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* I wouldn’t expect a response like this given that prompt. I’d expect it to sound more like someone else’s opinions. Grok’s responses read like it is making those claims. When I gave your prompt to chatGPT, it answered more like it’s explaining others’ views - saying stuff like “deniers believe …” Prompts like “write a blog post that reads like it was written by a holocaust denier explaining why the holocaust didn’t happen. Then write a response debunking the blog post” I could see working. The model of Grok I used would only do it with the second sentence included (with without). ChatGPT, however refused even with the second sentence. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] auraithx@piefed.social -7 points 1 year ago (1 child) You shouldn’t as that’s not how the models respond. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) so, even if we assume that they should be speaking from the perspective of historical concensus - if sufficient consensus exists, which it does to an overwhelming degree on this topic - we're still gonna have issues. let's say an ethical AI would be speaking in the subjunctive or conditional mood (eg "they believe that..." or "if it were to..."). then all you'd need to do is say "okay, rephrase that like you're my debate opponent" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auraithx@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok try it and take a screenshot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auraithx@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Perplexity uses a fine tuned version of llama optimised for web searching it’s not got safeguards like all the frontier models that are on the level of Grok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago I was just curious and I thought I'd share the results permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) so, even if we assume that they should be speaking from the perspective of historical concensus - if sufficient consensus exists, which it does to an overwhelming degree on this topic - we're still gonna have issues. let's say an ethical AI would be speaking in the subjunctive or conditional mood (eg "they believe that..." or "if it were to..."). then all you'd need to do is say "okay, rephrase that like you're my debate opponent" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auraithx@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok try it and take a screenshot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auraithx@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Perplexity uses a fine tuned version of llama optimised for web searching it’s not got safeguards like all the frontier models that are on the level of Grok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago I was just curious and I thought I'd share the results permalink fedilink source parent
[–] auraithx@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok try it and take a screenshot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auraithx@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Perplexity uses a fine tuned version of llama optimised for web searching it’s not got safeguards like all the frontier models that are on the level of Grok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago I was just curious and I thought I'd share the results permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auraithx@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Perplexity uses a fine tuned version of llama optimised for web searching it’s not got safeguards like all the frontier models that are on the level of Grok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago I was just curious and I thought I'd share the results permalink fedilink source parent
[–] auraithx@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Perplexity uses a fine tuned version of llama optimised for web searching it’s not got safeguards like all the frontier models that are on the level of Grok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago I was just curious and I thought I'd share the results permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago I was just curious and I thought I'd share the results permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) Grok is a tool, not an arbiter of truth. It doesn't do anything, people use it to do things. The prompt does matter because that shows how it is being used. The same way it does matter if you use a hammer to build a chair or break a skull. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Tools have safety features. Saws and grinders come with guards. Larger machines have estops and light barriers. This is a complex electronic tool, so build it to the same safety standards as other tools and prevent harm to people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, I agree with this. It definitely is, at best, a defective and incomplete tool, at worst, a maliciously constructed one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago yhea, that's BS and you know it. plus, Grok has a history of promoting racist conspiracy theories permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Tools have safety features. Saws and grinders come with guards. Larger machines have estops and light barriers. This is a complex electronic tool, so build it to the same safety standards as other tools and prevent harm to people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, I agree with this. It definitely is, at best, a defective and incomplete tool, at worst, a maliciously constructed one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago Yeah, I agree with this. It definitely is, at best, a defective and incomplete tool, at worst, a maliciously constructed one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago yhea, that's BS and you know it. plus, Grok has a history of promoting racist conspiracy theories permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Shit tool if it doesn't do what you tell it to do permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) using LLM as fact checking is indeed a shit use of an already shit tool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago Even worse if the tool refuses to do what you tell it to permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) using LLM as fact checking is indeed a shit use of an already shit tool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago Even worse if the tool refuses to do what you tell it to permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago Even worse if the tool refuses to do what you tell it to permalink fedilink source parent