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[–] OneLemmyMan@lemmy.world 603 points 3 years ago (13 children) It's true that it's not always about the money, but it's probably never about a ping pong table permalink fedilink source hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] pain_is_life_is_pain@sh.itjust.works 200 points 3 years ago (4 children) Well, hypothetical speaking, if there were two completely absolutely identical jobs, but the one had a ping pong table. I might choose the one without and ask them to get a Foosball table, since I'm no good at ping pong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 50 points 3 years ago* (3 children) It also depends on whether it's about a pingpong table in the office, or whether I get one for at home and we're talking a fully remote job. Getting a free pingpong table isn't a bad bonus! I'd prefer a decent crokinole board though, tbh permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pain_is_life_is_pain@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's a bad bonus if you don't have space for a ping pong table. Speaking from experience, I got a free ping pong table for Christmas once... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Same here. In the past 5 years, it's seen maybe 10 games, and a whole lot of laundry. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hobbes@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) What is Crokinole? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Shut up and sit down has a video where they rave about it. It's a dexterity game that uses a large board and sliding pieces. It seems simplistic, but it is genuinely amazing to paly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=XMKzeg78peg Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago I'm cannot deny that "where should we mail your crokinole board?" would work on me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 24 points 3 years ago If they put in any kind of clackball table, I’m demanding noise canceling headphones and my own office. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knightfall@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago I'm all about the air hockey table. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Either of those within earshot from my desk and I'm not taking the job. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IanM32@lemmy.world 44 points 3 years ago (1 child) Most places that have HR like this work their employees too hard for them to have time to use a ping pong table anyway, so it's really just a hollow gesture. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago A company I used to work for had a fucking arcade of all sorts of video games, I NEVER saw anyone playing them permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kichae@kbin.social 36 points 3 years ago (1 child) Indeed. It's telling that "basic dignity" or "managers who aren't dicks" didn't make the list. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago Yeah. In my experience, "A manager who doesn't suck" is most of the list. Source: I've been the manager who did suck, and the one who doesn't. I have some data points. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ping pong tables are loud as fuck and disrupt the whole office. If they invest in a soundproof room to put it in, sure. Otherwise it just makes you feel like a massive douche. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gork@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago Especially if your coworkers play like pros. Thwack thwack thwack Thwack permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 16 points 3 years ago (2 children) I wanted a foosball table dammit! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 7u5k3n@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's the game of the debil!!!! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 3 years ago Damnit Bobby what did I tell you about foosball! permalink fedilink source parent [–] pain_is_life_is_pain@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago Dammit, you beat me to it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago My last job had a pingpong table. We'd even use it occasionally. That is, until people started getting pissy when they'd see us playing pingpong. Then management started bitching that we were playing pingpong instead of working. Eventually, nobody was allowed to use the pingpong table - it just sat there, in the middle of the room, with brand new paddles and packs of balls that we weren't allowed to use. The money was okay - not great, but not terrible. After some management fuckery, I left for a $10000/yr raise and 100% work from home. I've gone up $20K since then, been promoted to senior, still have upward trajectory, and still work 100% from home. I have a desk in Memphis somewhere, but I've never actually seen it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fluxion@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It is if you're managing an Olympic ping pong team permalink fedilink source parent [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago My employer really covered their bases. We have ping-pong, pool, and foosball. That guarantees that everyone has something that will keep them from quitting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago* It’s always about autonomy, one way or another. People want to be able to control how they work and what they can get out of it. For some that does mean more money, for some it would mean less stress, for others it could means less meetings. It’s pretty easy for management to address all of it by just giving people more power over what their work lives are like, but that could mean less control over their workforce. No “owner” wants that, to them, they own their employees’ time/work life. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tandybaum@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I was at my last job for 10 years. If I had been well paid and treated well I would not have ever started that job search. Further even just having one of those two thing might have kept me from looking. At that job I hit the tipping point of both. It’s was getting shittier everyday and the pay wasn’t budging year after year. Finally mid-Covid the power flipped to the employee and jobs were much easier to get. I started looking and jumped shipped. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Vub@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) It’s not ever not about the money around 0% of the times. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neve8028@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago Eh. Toxic work culture can drive people away regardless of the pay. Obviously some people suck it up but not everyone. Ultimately the goal is to treat employees well all around. Good pay, benefits, and work culture will keep people happy. permalink fedilink source parent [+] vegai@suppo.fi 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kefass@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago This permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pain_is_life_is_pain@sh.itjust.works 200 points 3 years ago (4 children) Well, hypothetical speaking, if there were two completely absolutely identical jobs, but the one had a ping pong table. I might choose the one without and ask them to get a Foosball table, since I'm no good at ping pong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 50 points 3 years ago* (3 children) It also depends on whether it's about a pingpong table in the office, or whether I get one for at home and we're talking a fully remote job. Getting a free pingpong table isn't a bad bonus! I'd prefer a decent crokinole board though, tbh permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pain_is_life_is_pain@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's a bad bonus if you don't have space for a ping pong table. Speaking from experience, I got a free ping pong table for Christmas once... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Same here. In the past 5 years, it's seen maybe 10 games, and a whole lot of laundry. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hobbes@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) What is Crokinole? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Shut up and sit down has a video where they rave about it. It's a dexterity game that uses a large board and sliding pieces. It seems simplistic, but it is genuinely amazing to paly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=XMKzeg78peg Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago I'm cannot deny that "where should we mail your crokinole board?" would work on me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 24 points 3 years ago If they put in any kind of clackball table, I’m demanding noise canceling headphones and my own office. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knightfall@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago I'm all about the air hockey table. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Either of those within earshot from my desk and I'm not taking the job. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 50 points 3 years ago* (3 children) It also depends on whether it's about a pingpong table in the office, or whether I get one for at home and we're talking a fully remote job. Getting a free pingpong table isn't a bad bonus! I'd prefer a decent crokinole board though, tbh permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] pain_is_life_is_pain@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's a bad bonus if you don't have space for a ping pong table. Speaking from experience, I got a free ping pong table for Christmas once... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Same here. In the past 5 years, it's seen maybe 10 games, and a whole lot of laundry. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hobbes@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) What is Crokinole? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Shut up and sit down has a video where they rave about it. It's a dexterity game that uses a large board and sliding pieces. It seems simplistic, but it is genuinely amazing to paly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=XMKzeg78peg Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago I'm cannot deny that "where should we mail your crokinole board?" would work on me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pain_is_life_is_pain@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's a bad bonus if you don't have space for a ping pong table. Speaking from experience, I got a free ping pong table for Christmas once... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Same here. In the past 5 years, it's seen maybe 10 games, and a whole lot of laundry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Same here. In the past 5 years, it's seen maybe 10 games, and a whole lot of laundry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hobbes@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) What is Crokinole? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Shut up and sit down has a video where they rave about it. It's a dexterity game that uses a large board and sliding pieces. It seems simplistic, but it is genuinely amazing to paly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=XMKzeg78peg Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Shut up and sit down has a video where they rave about it. It's a dexterity game that uses a large board and sliding pieces. It seems simplistic, but it is genuinely amazing to paly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=XMKzeg78peg Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 2 points 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=XMKzeg78peg Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago I'm cannot deny that "where should we mail your crokinole board?" would work on me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 24 points 3 years ago If they put in any kind of clackball table, I’m demanding noise canceling headphones and my own office. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knightfall@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago I'm all about the air hockey table. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Either of those within earshot from my desk and I'm not taking the job. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IanM32@lemmy.world 44 points 3 years ago (1 child) Most places that have HR like this work their employees too hard for them to have time to use a ping pong table anyway, so it's really just a hollow gesture. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago A company I used to work for had a fucking arcade of all sorts of video games, I NEVER saw anyone playing them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago A company I used to work for had a fucking arcade of all sorts of video games, I NEVER saw anyone playing them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kichae@kbin.social 36 points 3 years ago (1 child) Indeed. It's telling that "basic dignity" or "managers who aren't dicks" didn't make the list. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago Yeah. In my experience, "A manager who doesn't suck" is most of the list. Source: I've been the manager who did suck, and the one who doesn't. I have some data points. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago Yeah. In my experience, "A manager who doesn't suck" is most of the list. Source: I've been the manager who did suck, and the one who doesn't. I have some data points. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ping pong tables are loud as fuck and disrupt the whole office. If they invest in a soundproof room to put it in, sure. Otherwise it just makes you feel like a massive douche. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gork@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago Especially if your coworkers play like pros. Thwack thwack thwack Thwack permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gork@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago Especially if your coworkers play like pros. Thwack thwack thwack Thwack permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 16 points 3 years ago (2 children) I wanted a foosball table dammit! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 7u5k3n@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's the game of the debil!!!! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 3 years ago Damnit Bobby what did I tell you about foosball! permalink fedilink source parent [–] pain_is_life_is_pain@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago Dammit, you beat me to it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7u5k3n@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's the game of the debil!!!! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 3 years ago Damnit Bobby what did I tell you about foosball! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 4 points 3 years ago Damnit Bobby what did I tell you about foosball! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pain_is_life_is_pain@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago Dammit, you beat me to it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago My last job had a pingpong table. We'd even use it occasionally. That is, until people started getting pissy when they'd see us playing pingpong. Then management started bitching that we were playing pingpong instead of working. Eventually, nobody was allowed to use the pingpong table - it just sat there, in the middle of the room, with brand new paddles and packs of balls that we weren't allowed to use. The money was okay - not great, but not terrible. After some management fuckery, I left for a $10000/yr raise and 100% work from home. I've gone up $20K since then, been promoted to senior, still have upward trajectory, and still work 100% from home. I have a desk in Memphis somewhere, but I've never actually seen it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It is if you're managing an Olympic ping pong team permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago My employer really covered their bases. We have ping-pong, pool, and foosball. That guarantees that everyone has something that will keep them from quitting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago* It’s always about autonomy, one way or another. People want to be able to control how they work and what they can get out of it. For some that does mean more money, for some it would mean less stress, for others it could means less meetings. It’s pretty easy for management to address all of it by just giving people more power over what their work lives are like, but that could mean less control over their workforce. No “owner” wants that, to them, they own their employees’ time/work life. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tandybaum@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I was at my last job for 10 years. If I had been well paid and treated well I would not have ever started that job search. Further even just having one of those two thing might have kept me from looking. At that job I hit the tipping point of both. It’s was getting shittier everyday and the pay wasn’t budging year after year. Finally mid-Covid the power flipped to the employee and jobs were much easier to get. I started looking and jumped shipped. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vub@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) It’s not ever not about the money around 0% of the times. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neve8028@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago Eh. Toxic work culture can drive people away regardless of the pay. Obviously some people suck it up but not everyone. Ultimately the goal is to treat employees well all around. Good pay, benefits, and work culture will keep people happy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Neve8028@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago Eh. Toxic work culture can drive people away regardless of the pay. Obviously some people suck it up but not everyone. Ultimately the goal is to treat employees well all around. Good pay, benefits, and work culture will keep people happy. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] vegai@suppo.fi 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent