▲ 220 ▼ The hidden subway that New York refuses to build | NYC is one step closer to having a mayor that actually cares about transit and people. Maybe this isn't so far-fetched now. (www.youtube.com) submitted 1 year ago by destructdisc@lemmy.world to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world 20 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Enforcement costs includes pay systems, enfircer paychecks, gear, blood, and lawsuits for the victims permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah that's already factored in as savings and thus deducted from the costs: The cost of eliminating fares from all city buses would likely be north of $700 million – an MTA analysis from 2022 put the cost for fiscal year 2026 at $778 million, Mamdani’s campaign said. A separate analysis on free local bus service from the city Independent Budget Office incorporated savings that fare-free bus rides would produce, including on fare enforcement and collection costs, totaling $33 million per year. They found the total cost would be $652 million. I already deducted an extra $52 million for a good-looking number. Whatever the independent analysis didn't think of is not likely to go beyond this $52 million. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I dont think its polite to include the settlements of cases of police abuse. Or monetizing the dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you don't include them then the cost is gonna be higher than $600 million. My point that it won't pay for itself and has to suck up funds that could've been used for infrastructure remains. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Oh. Yes. Means testing us not cost efficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago What is the point you’re trying to make here? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Also, what does this have to do with means testing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Thats what charging money for tax funded tra!sit amounts to. It's usually an anti homeless measure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago Regressive taxes are far, far more cost efficient than means testing. And like I said, the costs saved by eliminating fare are already factored in. They're $33 million per year, and I added an extra $52 million on top of that for good measure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah that's already factored in as savings and thus deducted from the costs: The cost of eliminating fares from all city buses would likely be north of $700 million – an MTA analysis from 2022 put the cost for fiscal year 2026 at $778 million, Mamdani’s campaign said. A separate analysis on free local bus service from the city Independent Budget Office incorporated savings that fare-free bus rides would produce, including on fare enforcement and collection costs, totaling $33 million per year. They found the total cost would be $652 million. I already deducted an extra $52 million for a good-looking number. Whatever the independent analysis didn't think of is not likely to go beyond this $52 million. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I dont think its polite to include the settlements of cases of police abuse. Or monetizing the dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you don't include them then the cost is gonna be higher than $600 million. My point that it won't pay for itself and has to suck up funds that could've been used for infrastructure remains. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Oh. Yes. Means testing us not cost efficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago What is the point you’re trying to make here? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Also, what does this have to do with means testing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Thats what charging money for tax funded tra!sit amounts to. It's usually an anti homeless measure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago Regressive taxes are far, far more cost efficient than means testing. And like I said, the costs saved by eliminating fare are already factored in. They're $33 million per year, and I added an extra $52 million on top of that for good measure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I dont think its polite to include the settlements of cases of police abuse. Or monetizing the dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you don't include them then the cost is gonna be higher than $600 million. My point that it won't pay for itself and has to suck up funds that could've been used for infrastructure remains. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Oh. Yes. Means testing us not cost efficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago What is the point you’re trying to make here? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Also, what does this have to do with means testing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Thats what charging money for tax funded tra!sit amounts to. It's usually an anti homeless measure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago Regressive taxes are far, far more cost efficient than means testing. And like I said, the costs saved by eliminating fare are already factored in. They're $33 million per year, and I added an extra $52 million on top of that for good measure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) If you don't include them then the cost is gonna be higher than $600 million. My point that it won't pay for itself and has to suck up funds that could've been used for infrastructure remains. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Oh. Yes. Means testing us not cost efficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago What is the point you’re trying to make here? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Also, what does this have to do with means testing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Thats what charging money for tax funded tra!sit amounts to. It's usually an anti homeless measure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago Regressive taxes are far, far more cost efficient than means testing. And like I said, the costs saved by eliminating fare are already factored in. They're $33 million per year, and I added an extra $52 million on top of that for good measure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) Oh. Yes. Means testing us not cost efficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago What is the point you’re trying to make here? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Also, what does this have to do with means testing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Thats what charging money for tax funded tra!sit amounts to. It's usually an anti homeless measure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago Regressive taxes are far, far more cost efficient than means testing. And like I said, the costs saved by eliminating fare are already factored in. They're $33 million per year, and I added an extra $52 million on top of that for good measure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 year ago What is the point you’re trying to make here? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Also, what does this have to do with means testing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Thats what charging money for tax funded tra!sit amounts to. It's usually an anti homeless measure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago Regressive taxes are far, far more cost efficient than means testing. And like I said, the costs saved by eliminating fare are already factored in. They're $33 million per year, and I added an extra $52 million on top of that for good measure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Thats what charging money for tax funded tra!sit amounts to. It's usually an anti homeless measure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago Regressive taxes are far, far more cost efficient than means testing. And like I said, the costs saved by eliminating fare are already factored in. They're $33 million per year, and I added an extra $52 million on top of that for good measure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 point 1 year ago Regressive taxes are far, far more cost efficient than means testing. And like I said, the costs saved by eliminating fare are already factored in. They're $33 million per year, and I added an extra $52 million on top of that for good measure. permalink fedilink source parent