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[–] schestophrenicwitz@leminal.space 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fascism at its best permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotOverSeether@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) lol, literally schizo posting. This article was updated to include information about a Twitter policy to temporarily remove checkmarks from verified accounts that change their profile pictures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TedKaczynski@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] aidan@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't think that's what fascism is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] aidan@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Only after elected they absorb the union into the state. Before elections the Nazis backed many of the unions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) well no, the Nazis paid lip service to "workers" in general but literally got into bloody (as in armed paramilitary) conflicts with unions (Iron Front vs. SA) for years before the complete takeover of the government, after the takeover of the government almost all union organizers got sent to the concentration camps as political prisoners because "they were all Marxists", the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF), an organization that existed to keep the worker in his place, going as far as to literally take money from the workers to pay for building new production lines. so, no, they did not absorb the unions, and they definitely didn't back the unions, unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun "backing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Yes, they had a ton of conflict with the more liberal unions, but they also organized Nazi aligned unions. They were not very successful at recruiting members to them but they tried to. Also, occasionally they cooperated with communist unions. the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF) Yes, absorption? As in unions used to be allowed to exist as independent entities, then workers were forced to join the state "union" unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun "backing" Source on Nazi strike breaking before 1932/3? permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago No? I don't generally agree with how a lot of people group the right, the Nazis were a lot closer to the Soviets than they were capitalists. Furthermore, I didn't say they were pro every Union, I said they supported unions that supported them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is blatantly ahistorical and you'd almost have to deliberately keep yourself ignorant to think this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The KPD leadership initially first criticised but then supported the 1931 Prussian Landtag referendum, an unsuccessful attempt launched by the far-right Stahlhelm to bring down the social democrat state government of Prussia by means of a plebiscite; the KPD referred to the SA as "working people's comrades" during this campaign. In November 1932, the KPD and the Nazis worked together in the Berlin transport workers’ strike. They had an entire organization for infiltrating unions to try to get support The NSBO had overall little success among German organized workers, except in certain regions where they supported strikes, such as the 1932 Berlin transport strike. Almost like exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guy, your source proves my point, not yours, even by your own summary of it. If you were capable of feeling ashamed of yourself, now would be a great time to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago How so? permalink fedilink source parent [+] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) No, it's part of the capitalist agenda and its a good thing. If you don't want to do your job then quit. That goes for cops, UAW workers, teachers, and more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You'll understand when you're older. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm down, kid. Capitalism is the reason you have the free time to post on Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism is the most efficient form of commerce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) Slavery is when iphone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I have reported you for spamming and violating ToS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Union-busting is absolutely part of the fascist agenda. No, it’s part of the capitalist agenda That's what they just said. and its a good thing. If you're an obscenely wealthy ghoul who profits off the suffering of everyone who has less money than you, then yes. In all other cases, absolutely the fuck not. If you don’t want to do your job then quit. That goes for cops, UAW workers, teachers, and more. So you'd be happy if all the cops, auto workers, teachers, nurses, firefighters, etc. quit? You'd rather have massive and continuous societal upheaval than workers collectively bargaining for the right to make a decent living doing their jobs? I'd rather have a functioning society, personally, and that's why I support unions and you should too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unions are labor cartels. They drive up the cost of goods and services. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Then why does a Big Mac cost almost the same at a unionized McDonald's in Denmark as it does at a non-unionized one in Tennessee? I mean, I guess anything is possible when you just lie, but a lot of things become a lot clearer once you acknowledge reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now make the same argument for manufacturing in the US versus Vietnam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You know that song "Think About It" by Flight Of The Conchords? "They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers, but what's the real cause? 'Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got 'em made by little slave kids? What are your overheads?" Funnily enough, I used to work in a running shoe store, and Jemaine is actually 100% right. Nike, Asics, Brooks, Adidas, most of them mostly manufacture in southeast Asia, or at least did at the time and probably still do. Nike has famously had their name attached to the word "sweatshop" on multiple occasions. Meanwhile, New Balance manufactures in the US. Prices are similar, quality is basically the same, personally I don't get on with either of them as well as I get on with Altra but that's beside the point. Nike's CEO makes like 100x what NB's does, which means NB manages to match Nike on price and quality with a much more equitable pay structure and manufacturing in the US. If your metric for the economy is anything other than how much money the CEO makes, then New Balance is the clear winner. And I just want to note how fucked it is that I'm looking at a CEO making almost 300k a year, who also happens to be kind of a right wing dipshit, and saying "yeah, he seems equitable" just because I have to compare him to one making 32 mil. Another example is that Orbea bicycles, which are literally made by a worker-owned co-op in Mondragon in Spain, with a lot (though admittedly not all) of their manufacturing either in house or just over the border in Portugal, compete and win in top-level racing, so the quality is obviously there, with prices that match or beat ones set by giants like Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, or, well, Giant, all of whom do most of their manufacturing in Taiwan (to be fair, Giant is a Taiwanese company, but Trek, Spesh, and 'Dale are all American and, weirdly, Giant handles a lot of their manufacturing). If you can't show me that I'm wrong, then sure, pivot to something else again. But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting something to change. Vaas from Far Cry 3 taught me that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Buddy I'm not reading all that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then don't start shit you can't finish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could tell the UAW the same thing. They're getting their jobs automated 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent [–] schestophrenicwitz@leminal.space 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah it's some business owner shutting down a union permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Like, unironically. Fascists are extremely anti-union. There's obviously a lot more to it, and this is a relatively minor example even after Elon made paid accounts have more visibility, but this is very much one of their things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Nazis and Soviets did the same thing about unions. Picked unions that had a lot of their backers in them and backed those, then once elected they created state ran unions and banned all others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) for the fascist please refer to my previous comment, for the Communists, the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction (the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente), and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary, with tanks, because the soviets also couldn't stand unions (like ever fascist ever) please stop repeating American Cold War era misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction Source for this? Everything I find contradicts that, but most of those are Marxist sources. the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente You mean central powers and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary I clearly stated they opposed unions not reporting to the state. Also the Hungarian revolution was a bit more than a strike. Both the Nazis and the Soviets constructed unions that were organs of the state. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago That's the union's gonna tear the fascists down, down, down. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotOverSeether@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) lol, literally schizo posting. This article was updated to include information about a Twitter policy to temporarily remove checkmarks from verified accounts that change their profile pictures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TedKaczynski@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] aidan@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't think that's what fascism is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] aidan@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Only after elected they absorb the union into the state. Before elections the Nazis backed many of the unions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) well no, the Nazis paid lip service to "workers" in general but literally got into bloody (as in armed paramilitary) conflicts with unions (Iron Front vs. SA) for years before the complete takeover of the government, after the takeover of the government almost all union organizers got sent to the concentration camps as political prisoners because "they were all Marxists", the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF), an organization that existed to keep the worker in his place, going as far as to literally take money from the workers to pay for building new production lines. so, no, they did not absorb the unions, and they definitely didn't back the unions, unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun "backing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Yes, they had a ton of conflict with the more liberal unions, but they also organized Nazi aligned unions. They were not very successful at recruiting members to them but they tried to. Also, occasionally they cooperated with communist unions. the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF) Yes, absorption? As in unions used to be allowed to exist as independent entities, then workers were forced to join the state "union" unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun "backing" Source on Nazi strike breaking before 1932/3? permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago No? I don't generally agree with how a lot of people group the right, the Nazis were a lot closer to the Soviets than they were capitalists. Furthermore, I didn't say they were pro every Union, I said they supported unions that supported them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is blatantly ahistorical and you'd almost have to deliberately keep yourself ignorant to think this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The KPD leadership initially first criticised but then supported the 1931 Prussian Landtag referendum, an unsuccessful attempt launched by the far-right Stahlhelm to bring down the social democrat state government of Prussia by means of a plebiscite; the KPD referred to the SA as "working people's comrades" during this campaign. In November 1932, the KPD and the Nazis worked together in the Berlin transport workers’ strike. They had an entire organization for infiltrating unions to try to get support The NSBO had overall little success among German organized workers, except in certain regions where they supported strikes, such as the 1932 Berlin transport strike. Almost like exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guy, your source proves my point, not yours, even by your own summary of it. If you were capable of feeling ashamed of yourself, now would be a great time to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago How so? permalink fedilink source parent [+] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) No, it's part of the capitalist agenda and its a good thing. If you don't want to do your job then quit. That goes for cops, UAW workers, teachers, and more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You'll understand when you're older. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm down, kid. Capitalism is the reason you have the free time to post on Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism is the most efficient form of commerce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) Slavery is when iphone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I have reported you for spamming and violating ToS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Union-busting is absolutely part of the fascist agenda. No, it’s part of the capitalist agenda That's what they just said. and its a good thing. If you're an obscenely wealthy ghoul who profits off the suffering of everyone who has less money than you, then yes. In all other cases, absolutely the fuck not. If you don’t want to do your job then quit. That goes for cops, UAW workers, teachers, and more. So you'd be happy if all the cops, auto workers, teachers, nurses, firefighters, etc. quit? You'd rather have massive and continuous societal upheaval than workers collectively bargaining for the right to make a decent living doing their jobs? I'd rather have a functioning society, personally, and that's why I support unions and you should too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unions are labor cartels. They drive up the cost of goods and services. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Then why does a Big Mac cost almost the same at a unionized McDonald's in Denmark as it does at a non-unionized one in Tennessee? I mean, I guess anything is possible when you just lie, but a lot of things become a lot clearer once you acknowledge reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now make the same argument for manufacturing in the US versus Vietnam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You know that song "Think About It" by Flight Of The Conchords? "They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers, but what's the real cause? 'Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got 'em made by little slave kids? What are your overheads?" Funnily enough, I used to work in a running shoe store, and Jemaine is actually 100% right. Nike, Asics, Brooks, Adidas, most of them mostly manufacture in southeast Asia, or at least did at the time and probably still do. Nike has famously had their name attached to the word "sweatshop" on multiple occasions. Meanwhile, New Balance manufactures in the US. Prices are similar, quality is basically the same, personally I don't get on with either of them as well as I get on with Altra but that's beside the point. Nike's CEO makes like 100x what NB's does, which means NB manages to match Nike on price and quality with a much more equitable pay structure and manufacturing in the US. If your metric for the economy is anything other than how much money the CEO makes, then New Balance is the clear winner. And I just want to note how fucked it is that I'm looking at a CEO making almost 300k a year, who also happens to be kind of a right wing dipshit, and saying "yeah, he seems equitable" just because I have to compare him to one making 32 mil. Another example is that Orbea bicycles, which are literally made by a worker-owned co-op in Mondragon in Spain, with a lot (though admittedly not all) of their manufacturing either in house or just over the border in Portugal, compete and win in top-level racing, so the quality is obviously there, with prices that match or beat ones set by giants like Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, or, well, Giant, all of whom do most of their manufacturing in Taiwan (to be fair, Giant is a Taiwanese company, but Trek, Spesh, and 'Dale are all American and, weirdly, Giant handles a lot of their manufacturing). If you can't show me that I'm wrong, then sure, pivot to something else again. But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting something to change. Vaas from Far Cry 3 taught me that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Buddy I'm not reading all that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then don't start shit you can't finish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could tell the UAW the same thing. They're getting their jobs automated 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent [–] schestophrenicwitz@leminal.space 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah it's some business owner shutting down a union permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Like, unironically. Fascists are extremely anti-union. There's obviously a lot more to it, and this is a relatively minor example even after Elon made paid accounts have more visibility, but this is very much one of their things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Nazis and Soviets did the same thing about unions. Picked unions that had a lot of their backers in them and backed those, then once elected they created state ran unions and banned all others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) for the fascist please refer to my previous comment, for the Communists, the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction (the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente), and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary, with tanks, because the soviets also couldn't stand unions (like ever fascist ever) please stop repeating American Cold War era misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction Source for this? Everything I find contradicts that, but most of those are Marxist sources. the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente You mean central powers and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary I clearly stated they opposed unions not reporting to the state. Also the Hungarian revolution was a bit more than a strike. Both the Nazis and the Soviets constructed unions that were organs of the state. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago That's the union's gonna tear the fascists down, down, down. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] aidan@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Only after elected they absorb the union into the state. Before elections the Nazis backed many of the unions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) well no, the Nazis paid lip service to "workers" in general but literally got into bloody (as in armed paramilitary) conflicts with unions (Iron Front vs. SA) for years before the complete takeover of the government, after the takeover of the government almost all union organizers got sent to the concentration camps as political prisoners because "they were all Marxists", the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF), an organization that existed to keep the worker in his place, going as far as to literally take money from the workers to pay for building new production lines. so, no, they did not absorb the unions, and they definitely didn't back the unions, unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun "backing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Yes, they had a ton of conflict with the more liberal unions, but they also organized Nazi aligned unions. They were not very successful at recruiting members to them but they tried to. Also, occasionally they cooperated with communist unions. the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF) Yes, absorption? As in unions used to be allowed to exist as independent entities, then workers were forced to join the state "union" unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun "backing" Source on Nazi strike breaking before 1932/3? permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago No? I don't generally agree with how a lot of people group the right, the Nazis were a lot closer to the Soviets than they were capitalists. Furthermore, I didn't say they were pro every Union, I said they supported unions that supported them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is blatantly ahistorical and you'd almost have to deliberately keep yourself ignorant to think this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The KPD leadership initially first criticised but then supported the 1931 Prussian Landtag referendum, an unsuccessful attempt launched by the far-right Stahlhelm to bring down the social democrat state government of Prussia by means of a plebiscite; the KPD referred to the SA as "working people's comrades" during this campaign. In November 1932, the KPD and the Nazis worked together in the Berlin transport workers’ strike. They had an entire organization for infiltrating unions to try to get support The NSBO had overall little success among German organized workers, except in certain regions where they supported strikes, such as the 1932 Berlin transport strike. Almost like exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guy, your source proves my point, not yours, even by your own summary of it. If you were capable of feeling ashamed of yourself, now would be a great time to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago How so? permalink fedilink source parent [+] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) No, it's part of the capitalist agenda and its a good thing. If you don't want to do your job then quit. That goes for cops, UAW workers, teachers, and more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You'll understand when you're older. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm down, kid. Capitalism is the reason you have the free time to post on Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism is the most efficient form of commerce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) Slavery is when iphone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I have reported you for spamming and violating ToS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Union-busting is absolutely part of the fascist agenda. No, it’s part of the capitalist agenda That's what they just said. and its a good thing. If you're an obscenely wealthy ghoul who profits off the suffering of everyone who has less money than you, then yes. In all other cases, absolutely the fuck not. If you don’t want to do your job then quit. That goes for cops, UAW workers, teachers, and more. So you'd be happy if all the cops, auto workers, teachers, nurses, firefighters, etc. quit? You'd rather have massive and continuous societal upheaval than workers collectively bargaining for the right to make a decent living doing their jobs? I'd rather have a functioning society, personally, and that's why I support unions and you should too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unions are labor cartels. They drive up the cost of goods and services. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Then why does a Big Mac cost almost the same at a unionized McDonald's in Denmark as it does at a non-unionized one in Tennessee? I mean, I guess anything is possible when you just lie, but a lot of things become a lot clearer once you acknowledge reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now make the same argument for manufacturing in the US versus Vietnam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You know that song "Think About It" by Flight Of The Conchords? "They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers, but what's the real cause? 'Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got 'em made by little slave kids? What are your overheads?" Funnily enough, I used to work in a running shoe store, and Jemaine is actually 100% right. Nike, Asics, Brooks, Adidas, most of them mostly manufacture in southeast Asia, or at least did at the time and probably still do. Nike has famously had their name attached to the word "sweatshop" on multiple occasions. Meanwhile, New Balance manufactures in the US. Prices are similar, quality is basically the same, personally I don't get on with either of them as well as I get on with Altra but that's beside the point. Nike's CEO makes like 100x what NB's does, which means NB manages to match Nike on price and quality with a much more equitable pay structure and manufacturing in the US. If your metric for the economy is anything other than how much money the CEO makes, then New Balance is the clear winner. And I just want to note how fucked it is that I'm looking at a CEO making almost 300k a year, who also happens to be kind of a right wing dipshit, and saying "yeah, he seems equitable" just because I have to compare him to one making 32 mil. Another example is that Orbea bicycles, which are literally made by a worker-owned co-op in Mondragon in Spain, with a lot (though admittedly not all) of their manufacturing either in house or just over the border in Portugal, compete and win in top-level racing, so the quality is obviously there, with prices that match or beat ones set by giants like Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, or, well, Giant, all of whom do most of their manufacturing in Taiwan (to be fair, Giant is a Taiwanese company, but Trek, Spesh, and 'Dale are all American and, weirdly, Giant handles a lot of their manufacturing). If you can't show me that I'm wrong, then sure, pivot to something else again. But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting something to change. Vaas from Far Cry 3 taught me that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Buddy I'm not reading all that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then don't start shit you can't finish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could tell the UAW the same thing. They're getting their jobs automated 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] aidan@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Only after elected they absorb the union into the state. Before elections the Nazis backed many of the unions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) well no, the Nazis paid lip service to "workers" in general but literally got into bloody (as in armed paramilitary) conflicts with unions (Iron Front vs. SA) for years before the complete takeover of the government, after the takeover of the government almost all union organizers got sent to the concentration camps as political prisoners because "they were all Marxists", the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF), an organization that existed to keep the worker in his place, going as far as to literally take money from the workers to pay for building new production lines. so, no, they did not absorb the unions, and they definitely didn't back the unions, unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun "backing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Yes, they had a ton of conflict with the more liberal unions, but they also organized Nazi aligned unions. They were not very successful at recruiting members to them but they tried to. Also, occasionally they cooperated with communist unions. the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF) Yes, absorption? As in unions used to be allowed to exist as independent entities, then workers were forced to join the state "union" unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun "backing" Source on Nazi strike breaking before 1932/3? permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago No? I don't generally agree with how a lot of people group the right, the Nazis were a lot closer to the Soviets than they were capitalists. Furthermore, I didn't say they were pro every Union, I said they supported unions that supported them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is blatantly ahistorical and you'd almost have to deliberately keep yourself ignorant to think this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The KPD leadership initially first criticised but then supported the 1931 Prussian Landtag referendum, an unsuccessful attempt launched by the far-right Stahlhelm to bring down the social democrat state government of Prussia by means of a plebiscite; the KPD referred to the SA as "working people's comrades" during this campaign. In November 1932, the KPD and the Nazis worked together in the Berlin transport workers’ strike. They had an entire organization for infiltrating unions to try to get support The NSBO had overall little success among German organized workers, except in certain regions where they supported strikes, such as the 1932 Berlin transport strike. Almost like exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guy, your source proves my point, not yours, even by your own summary of it. If you were capable of feeling ashamed of yourself, now would be a great time to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago How so? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orrk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) well no, the Nazis paid lip service to "workers" in general but literally got into bloody (as in armed paramilitary) conflicts with unions (Iron Front vs. SA) for years before the complete takeover of the government, after the takeover of the government almost all union organizers got sent to the concentration camps as political prisoners because "they were all Marxists", the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF), an organization that existed to keep the worker in his place, going as far as to literally take money from the workers to pay for building new production lines. so, no, they did not absorb the unions, and they definitely didn't back the unions, unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun "backing" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Yes, they had a ton of conflict with the more liberal unions, but they also organized Nazi aligned unions. They were not very successful at recruiting members to them but they tried to. Also, occasionally they cooperated with communist unions. the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF) Yes, absorption? As in unions used to be allowed to exist as independent entities, then workers were forced to join the state "union" unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun "backing" Source on Nazi strike breaking before 1932/3? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Yes, they had a ton of conflict with the more liberal unions, but they also organized Nazi aligned unions. They were not very successful at recruiting members to them but they tried to. Also, occasionally they cooperated with communist unions. the Nazis then replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF) Yes, absorption? As in unions used to be allowed to exist as independent entities, then workers were forced to join the state "union" unless you call strike-breaking with a machine gun "backing" Source on Nazi strike breaking before 1932/3? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago No? I don't generally agree with how a lot of people group the right, the Nazis were a lot closer to the Soviets than they were capitalists. Furthermore, I didn't say they were pro every Union, I said they supported unions that supported them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aidan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago No? I don't generally agree with how a lot of people group the right, the Nazis were a lot closer to the Soviets than they were capitalists. Furthermore, I didn't say they were pro every Union, I said they supported unions that supported them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is blatantly ahistorical and you'd almost have to deliberately keep yourself ignorant to think this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The KPD leadership initially first criticised but then supported the 1931 Prussian Landtag referendum, an unsuccessful attempt launched by the far-right Stahlhelm to bring down the social democrat state government of Prussia by means of a plebiscite; the KPD referred to the SA as "working people's comrades" during this campaign. In November 1932, the KPD and the Nazis worked together in the Berlin transport workers’ strike. They had an entire organization for infiltrating unions to try to get support The NSBO had overall little success among German organized workers, except in certain regions where they supported strikes, such as the 1932 Berlin transport strike. Almost like exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guy, your source proves my point, not yours, even by your own summary of it. If you were capable of feeling ashamed of yourself, now would be a great time to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago How so? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The KPD leadership initially first criticised but then supported the 1931 Prussian Landtag referendum, an unsuccessful attempt launched by the far-right Stahlhelm to bring down the social democrat state government of Prussia by means of a plebiscite; the KPD referred to the SA as "working people's comrades" during this campaign. In November 1932, the KPD and the Nazis worked together in the Berlin transport workers’ strike. They had an entire organization for infiltrating unions to try to get support The NSBO had overall little success among German organized workers, except in certain regions where they supported strikes, such as the 1932 Berlin transport strike. Almost like exactly what I said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guy, your source proves my point, not yours, even by your own summary of it. If you were capable of feeling ashamed of yourself, now would be a great time to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago How so? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teuast@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guy, your source proves my point, not yours, even by your own summary of it. If you were capable of feeling ashamed of yourself, now would be a great time to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago How so? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) No, it's part of the capitalist agenda and its a good thing. If you don't want to do your job then quit. That goes for cops, UAW workers, teachers, and more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You'll understand when you're older. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm down, kid. Capitalism is the reason you have the free time to post on Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism is the most efficient form of commerce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) Slavery is when iphone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I have reported you for spamming and violating ToS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Union-busting is absolutely part of the fascist agenda. No, it’s part of the capitalist agenda That's what they just said. and its a good thing. If you're an obscenely wealthy ghoul who profits off the suffering of everyone who has less money than you, then yes. In all other cases, absolutely the fuck not. If you don’t want to do your job then quit. That goes for cops, UAW workers, teachers, and more. So you'd be happy if all the cops, auto workers, teachers, nurses, firefighters, etc. quit? You'd rather have massive and continuous societal upheaval than workers collectively bargaining for the right to make a decent living doing their jobs? I'd rather have a functioning society, personally, and that's why I support unions and you should too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unions are labor cartels. They drive up the cost of goods and services. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Then why does a Big Mac cost almost the same at a unionized McDonald's in Denmark as it does at a non-unionized one in Tennessee? I mean, I guess anything is possible when you just lie, but a lot of things become a lot clearer once you acknowledge reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now make the same argument for manufacturing in the US versus Vietnam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You know that song "Think About It" by Flight Of The Conchords? "They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers, but what's the real cause? 'Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got 'em made by little slave kids? What are your overheads?" Funnily enough, I used to work in a running shoe store, and Jemaine is actually 100% right. Nike, Asics, Brooks, Adidas, most of them mostly manufacture in southeast Asia, or at least did at the time and probably still do. Nike has famously had their name attached to the word "sweatshop" on multiple occasions. Meanwhile, New Balance manufactures in the US. Prices are similar, quality is basically the same, personally I don't get on with either of them as well as I get on with Altra but that's beside the point. Nike's CEO makes like 100x what NB's does, which means NB manages to match Nike on price and quality with a much more equitable pay structure and manufacturing in the US. If your metric for the economy is anything other than how much money the CEO makes, then New Balance is the clear winner. And I just want to note how fucked it is that I'm looking at a CEO making almost 300k a year, who also happens to be kind of a right wing dipshit, and saying "yeah, he seems equitable" just because I have to compare him to one making 32 mil. Another example is that Orbea bicycles, which are literally made by a worker-owned co-op in Mondragon in Spain, with a lot (though admittedly not all) of their manufacturing either in house or just over the border in Portugal, compete and win in top-level racing, so the quality is obviously there, with prices that match or beat ones set by giants like Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, or, well, Giant, all of whom do most of their manufacturing in Taiwan (to be fair, Giant is a Taiwanese company, but Trek, Spesh, and 'Dale are all American and, weirdly, Giant handles a lot of their manufacturing). If you can't show me that I'm wrong, then sure, pivot to something else again. But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting something to change. Vaas from Far Cry 3 taught me that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Buddy I'm not reading all that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then don't start shit you can't finish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could tell the UAW the same thing. They're getting their jobs automated 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You'll understand when you're older. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm down, kid. Capitalism is the reason you have the free time to post on Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism is the most efficient form of commerce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) Slavery is when iphone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I have reported you for spamming and violating ToS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You'll understand when you're older. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm down, kid. Capitalism is the reason you have the free time to post on Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism is the most efficient form of commerce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) Slavery is when iphone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I have reported you for spamming and violating ToS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm down, kid. Capitalism is the reason you have the free time to post on Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism is the most efficient form of commerce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) Slavery is when iphone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I have reported you for spamming and violating ToS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Calm down, kid. Capitalism is the reason you have the free time to post on Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism is the most efficient form of commerce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) Slavery is when iphone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I have reported you for spamming and violating ToS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism is the most efficient form of commerce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) Slavery is when iphone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I have reported you for spamming and violating ToS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism is the most efficient form of commerce. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) Slavery is when iphone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I have reported you for spamming and violating ToS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) Slavery is when iphone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I have reported you for spamming and violating ToS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] teuast@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Union-busting is absolutely part of the fascist agenda. No, it’s part of the capitalist agenda That's what they just said. and its a good thing. If you're an obscenely wealthy ghoul who profits off the suffering of everyone who has less money than you, then yes. In all other cases, absolutely the fuck not. If you don’t want to do your job then quit. That goes for cops, UAW workers, teachers, and more. So you'd be happy if all the cops, auto workers, teachers, nurses, firefighters, etc. quit? You'd rather have massive and continuous societal upheaval than workers collectively bargaining for the right to make a decent living doing their jobs? I'd rather have a functioning society, personally, and that's why I support unions and you should too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unions are labor cartels. They drive up the cost of goods and services. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Then why does a Big Mac cost almost the same at a unionized McDonald's in Denmark as it does at a non-unionized one in Tennessee? I mean, I guess anything is possible when you just lie, but a lot of things become a lot clearer once you acknowledge reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now make the same argument for manufacturing in the US versus Vietnam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You know that song "Think About It" by Flight Of The Conchords? "They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers, but what's the real cause? 'Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got 'em made by little slave kids? What are your overheads?" Funnily enough, I used to work in a running shoe store, and Jemaine is actually 100% right. Nike, Asics, Brooks, Adidas, most of them mostly manufacture in southeast Asia, or at least did at the time and probably still do. Nike has famously had their name attached to the word "sweatshop" on multiple occasions. Meanwhile, New Balance manufactures in the US. Prices are similar, quality is basically the same, personally I don't get on with either of them as well as I get on with Altra but that's beside the point. Nike's CEO makes like 100x what NB's does, which means NB manages to match Nike on price and quality with a much more equitable pay structure and manufacturing in the US. If your metric for the economy is anything other than how much money the CEO makes, then New Balance is the clear winner. And I just want to note how fucked it is that I'm looking at a CEO making almost 300k a year, who also happens to be kind of a right wing dipshit, and saying "yeah, he seems equitable" just because I have to compare him to one making 32 mil. Another example is that Orbea bicycles, which are literally made by a worker-owned co-op in Mondragon in Spain, with a lot (though admittedly not all) of their manufacturing either in house or just over the border in Portugal, compete and win in top-level racing, so the quality is obviously there, with prices that match or beat ones set by giants like Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, or, well, Giant, all of whom do most of their manufacturing in Taiwan (to be fair, Giant is a Taiwanese company, but Trek, Spesh, and 'Dale are all American and, weirdly, Giant handles a lot of their manufacturing). If you can't show me that I'm wrong, then sure, pivot to something else again. But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting something to change. Vaas from Far Cry 3 taught me that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Buddy I'm not reading all that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then don't start shit you can't finish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could tell the UAW the same thing. They're getting their jobs automated 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unions are labor cartels. They drive up the cost of goods and services. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Then why does a Big Mac cost almost the same at a unionized McDonald's in Denmark as it does at a non-unionized one in Tennessee? I mean, I guess anything is possible when you just lie, but a lot of things become a lot clearer once you acknowledge reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now make the same argument for manufacturing in the US versus Vietnam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You know that song "Think About It" by Flight Of The Conchords? "They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers, but what's the real cause? 'Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got 'em made by little slave kids? What are your overheads?" Funnily enough, I used to work in a running shoe store, and Jemaine is actually 100% right. Nike, Asics, Brooks, Adidas, most of them mostly manufacture in southeast Asia, or at least did at the time and probably still do. Nike has famously had their name attached to the word "sweatshop" on multiple occasions. Meanwhile, New Balance manufactures in the US. Prices are similar, quality is basically the same, personally I don't get on with either of them as well as I get on with Altra but that's beside the point. Nike's CEO makes like 100x what NB's does, which means NB manages to match Nike on price and quality with a much more equitable pay structure and manufacturing in the US. If your metric for the economy is anything other than how much money the CEO makes, then New Balance is the clear winner. And I just want to note how fucked it is that I'm looking at a CEO making almost 300k a year, who also happens to be kind of a right wing dipshit, and saying "yeah, he seems equitable" just because I have to compare him to one making 32 mil. Another example is that Orbea bicycles, which are literally made by a worker-owned co-op in Mondragon in Spain, with a lot (though admittedly not all) of their manufacturing either in house or just over the border in Portugal, compete and win in top-level racing, so the quality is obviously there, with prices that match or beat ones set by giants like Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, or, well, Giant, all of whom do most of their manufacturing in Taiwan (to be fair, Giant is a Taiwanese company, but Trek, Spesh, and 'Dale are all American and, weirdly, Giant handles a lot of their manufacturing). If you can't show me that I'm wrong, then sure, pivot to something else again. But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting something to change. Vaas from Far Cry 3 taught me that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Buddy I'm not reading all that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then don't start shit you can't finish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could tell the UAW the same thing. They're getting their jobs automated 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Then why does a Big Mac cost almost the same at a unionized McDonald's in Denmark as it does at a non-unionized one in Tennessee? I mean, I guess anything is possible when you just lie, but a lot of things become a lot clearer once you acknowledge reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now make the same argument for manufacturing in the US versus Vietnam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You know that song "Think About It" by Flight Of The Conchords? "They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers, but what's the real cause? 'Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got 'em made by little slave kids? What are your overheads?" Funnily enough, I used to work in a running shoe store, and Jemaine is actually 100% right. Nike, Asics, Brooks, Adidas, most of them mostly manufacture in southeast Asia, or at least did at the time and probably still do. Nike has famously had their name attached to the word "sweatshop" on multiple occasions. Meanwhile, New Balance manufactures in the US. Prices are similar, quality is basically the same, personally I don't get on with either of them as well as I get on with Altra but that's beside the point. Nike's CEO makes like 100x what NB's does, which means NB manages to match Nike on price and quality with a much more equitable pay structure and manufacturing in the US. If your metric for the economy is anything other than how much money the CEO makes, then New Balance is the clear winner. And I just want to note how fucked it is that I'm looking at a CEO making almost 300k a year, who also happens to be kind of a right wing dipshit, and saying "yeah, he seems equitable" just because I have to compare him to one making 32 mil. Another example is that Orbea bicycles, which are literally made by a worker-owned co-op in Mondragon in Spain, with a lot (though admittedly not all) of their manufacturing either in house or just over the border in Portugal, compete and win in top-level racing, so the quality is obviously there, with prices that match or beat ones set by giants like Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, or, well, Giant, all of whom do most of their manufacturing in Taiwan (to be fair, Giant is a Taiwanese company, but Trek, Spesh, and 'Dale are all American and, weirdly, Giant handles a lot of their manufacturing). If you can't show me that I'm wrong, then sure, pivot to something else again. But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting something to change. Vaas from Far Cry 3 taught me that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Buddy I'm not reading all that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then don't start shit you can't finish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could tell the UAW the same thing. They're getting their jobs automated 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now make the same argument for manufacturing in the US versus Vietnam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You know that song "Think About It" by Flight Of The Conchords? "They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers, but what's the real cause? 'Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got 'em made by little slave kids? What are your overheads?" Funnily enough, I used to work in a running shoe store, and Jemaine is actually 100% right. Nike, Asics, Brooks, Adidas, most of them mostly manufacture in southeast Asia, or at least did at the time and probably still do. Nike has famously had their name attached to the word "sweatshop" on multiple occasions. Meanwhile, New Balance manufactures in the US. Prices are similar, quality is basically the same, personally I don't get on with either of them as well as I get on with Altra but that's beside the point. Nike's CEO makes like 100x what NB's does, which means NB manages to match Nike on price and quality with a much more equitable pay structure and manufacturing in the US. If your metric for the economy is anything other than how much money the CEO makes, then New Balance is the clear winner. And I just want to note how fucked it is that I'm looking at a CEO making almost 300k a year, who also happens to be kind of a right wing dipshit, and saying "yeah, he seems equitable" just because I have to compare him to one making 32 mil. Another example is that Orbea bicycles, which are literally made by a worker-owned co-op in Mondragon in Spain, with a lot (though admittedly not all) of their manufacturing either in house or just over the border in Portugal, compete and win in top-level racing, so the quality is obviously there, with prices that match or beat ones set by giants like Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, or, well, Giant, all of whom do most of their manufacturing in Taiwan (to be fair, Giant is a Taiwanese company, but Trek, Spesh, and 'Dale are all American and, weirdly, Giant handles a lot of their manufacturing). If you can't show me that I'm wrong, then sure, pivot to something else again. But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting something to change. Vaas from Far Cry 3 taught me that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Buddy I'm not reading all that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then don't start shit you can't finish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could tell the UAW the same thing. They're getting their jobs automated 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You know that song "Think About It" by Flight Of The Conchords? "They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers, but what's the real cause? 'Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got 'em made by little slave kids? What are your overheads?" Funnily enough, I used to work in a running shoe store, and Jemaine is actually 100% right. Nike, Asics, Brooks, Adidas, most of them mostly manufacture in southeast Asia, or at least did at the time and probably still do. Nike has famously had their name attached to the word "sweatshop" on multiple occasions. Meanwhile, New Balance manufactures in the US. Prices are similar, quality is basically the same, personally I don't get on with either of them as well as I get on with Altra but that's beside the point. Nike's CEO makes like 100x what NB's does, which means NB manages to match Nike on price and quality with a much more equitable pay structure and manufacturing in the US. If your metric for the economy is anything other than how much money the CEO makes, then New Balance is the clear winner. And I just want to note how fucked it is that I'm looking at a CEO making almost 300k a year, who also happens to be kind of a right wing dipshit, and saying "yeah, he seems equitable" just because I have to compare him to one making 32 mil. Another example is that Orbea bicycles, which are literally made by a worker-owned co-op in Mondragon in Spain, with a lot (though admittedly not all) of their manufacturing either in house or just over the border in Portugal, compete and win in top-level racing, so the quality is obviously there, with prices that match or beat ones set by giants like Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, or, well, Giant, all of whom do most of their manufacturing in Taiwan (to be fair, Giant is a Taiwanese company, but Trek, Spesh, and 'Dale are all American and, weirdly, Giant handles a lot of their manufacturing). If you can't show me that I'm wrong, then sure, pivot to something else again. But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting something to change. Vaas from Far Cry 3 taught me that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Buddy I'm not reading all that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then don't start shit you can't finish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could tell the UAW the same thing. They're getting their jobs automated 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Buddy I'm not reading all that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then don't start shit you can't finish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could tell the UAW the same thing. They're getting their jobs automated 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then don't start shit you can't finish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could tell the UAW the same thing. They're getting their jobs automated 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You could tell the UAW the same thing. They're getting their jobs automated 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If their jobs were that easy to automate, do you really think the automakers would just be threatening it? Do you know literally a single thing about economics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Elon already started automating their jobs. Nice try, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teuast@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I can find no sources on this that aren't just Elon tweeting about it, and Elon's tweets are about as reliable as a gingerbread space station. If his tweets are enough for you to believe it, then no wonder you're also wrong about everything else you've said. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] schestophrenicwitz@leminal.space 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah it's some business owner shutting down a union permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Like, unironically. Fascists are extremely anti-union. There's obviously a lot more to it, and this is a relatively minor example even after Elon made paid accounts have more visibility, but this is very much one of their things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Nazis and Soviets did the same thing about unions. Picked unions that had a lot of their backers in them and backed those, then once elected they created state ran unions and banned all others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) for the fascist please refer to my previous comment, for the Communists, the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction (the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente), and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary, with tanks, because the soviets also couldn't stand unions (like ever fascist ever) please stop repeating American Cold War era misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction Source for this? Everything I find contradicts that, but most of those are Marxist sources. the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente You mean central powers and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary I clearly stated they opposed unions not reporting to the state. Also the Hungarian revolution was a bit more than a strike. Both the Nazis and the Soviets constructed unions that were organs of the state. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Like, unironically. Fascists are extremely anti-union. There's obviously a lot more to it, and this is a relatively minor example even after Elon made paid accounts have more visibility, but this is very much one of their things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Nazis and Soviets did the same thing about unions. Picked unions that had a lot of their backers in them and backed those, then once elected they created state ran unions and banned all others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) for the fascist please refer to my previous comment, for the Communists, the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction (the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente), and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary, with tanks, because the soviets also couldn't stand unions (like ever fascist ever) please stop repeating American Cold War era misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction Source for this? Everything I find contradicts that, but most of those are Marxist sources. the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente You mean central powers and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary I clearly stated they opposed unions not reporting to the state. Also the Hungarian revolution was a bit more than a strike. Both the Nazis and the Soviets constructed unions that were organs of the state. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aidan@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Nazis and Soviets did the same thing about unions. Picked unions that had a lot of their backers in them and backed those, then once elected they created state ran unions and banned all others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) for the fascist please refer to my previous comment, for the Communists, the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction (the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente), and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary, with tanks, because the soviets also couldn't stand unions (like ever fascist ever) please stop repeating American Cold War era misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction Source for this? Everything I find contradicts that, but most of those are Marxist sources. the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente You mean central powers and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary I clearly stated they opposed unions not reporting to the state. Also the Hungarian revolution was a bit more than a strike. Both the Nazis and the Soviets constructed unions that were organs of the state. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orrk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) for the fascist please refer to my previous comment, for the Communists, the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction (the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente), and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary, with tanks, because the soviets also couldn't stand unions (like ever fascist ever) please stop repeating American Cold War era misinformation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction Source for this? Everything I find contradicts that, but most of those are Marxist sources. the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente You mean central powers and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary I clearly stated they opposed unions not reporting to the state. Also the Hungarian revolution was a bit more than a strike. Both the Nazis and the Soviets constructed unions that were organs of the state. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago the Bolsheviks didn't have much to do with the small and numerous Russian unions (Russia had a very beurocratically decentralized industry at that point in time) and later fought against them as they mostly joined the white Russian faction Source for this? Everything I find contradicts that, but most of those are Marxist sources. the bolsheviks being backed by the Entente You mean central powers and ironically the term Tankie comes from an event where the soviet unions crushed mainly union uprisings against the soviets in Hungary I clearly stated they opposed unions not reporting to the state. Also the Hungarian revolution was a bit more than a strike. Both the Nazis and the Soviets constructed unions that were organs of the state. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago That's the union's gonna tear the fascists down, down, down. permalink fedilink source parent