▲ 206 ▼ More people buying electric cars and heat pumps than ever before (www.bbc.com) submitted 1 year ago by sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al to c/climate@slrpnk.net 29 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Bought our first electric car this year and will never go back to Diesel. If heat pumps weren’t so expensive I’d have one installed tomorrow. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] youngalfred@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) Curious what the cheaper alternative is - what country are you from? Where I am we don't call them 'heat pumps', they are just reverse cycle air conditioners and it's the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (5 children) I’m in the UK, short-term cheaper alternative is keeping your existing gas boiler until it breaks down… so roughly 20-30 years. The government gives £7,500 towards a heat pump but that has resulted in prices staying artificially high and virtually every install for a 3-4 bed home comes in at £10,000. A new gas boiler is around £1,500-£2,000. Due to some other short sightedness, any heat pump which also cools is not eligible for the £7,500 grant, which is really problematic when temperatures keep rising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] youngalfred@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago any heat pump which also cools is not eligible That's seriously stupid - it's the same thing except it can reverse the refrigerant flow to transfer heat energy outside vs inside. To much backward thinking to plan for needing the ability to cool, especially given your heatwaves over the past few years. I'm in Australia and I don't think you can buy just a (heater) heat pump. They're pretty cheap too - you can find split system reverse cycle easily for under £500 each. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago I am genuinely waiting for the grants to finish (or be updated), as it feels like all the installation companies just hiked their prices to take advantage of the grants. I've got the power run, massive radiators, and thick pipes, all ready to roll. The big one that will really push HPs, imo, will be if gas starts to rise in price relative to electricity. At the moment, it's about level in cost to run, even though a HP is 3x+ more efficient. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al [S] 8 points 1 year ago I just did a check on Heat Geek the other day for my house. It'd cost me £7,500 on top of the grant to convert the place to a heat pump 😭 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dashmezzo@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) We had one added and also solar and batteries all in one go. It was around £12k in total I think. Check out Octopus energy Heat pumps if you have a momnet. They are more cost effective and also 0% load for a couple of years. They are doing good things to get more people to switch over. I personally had mine before they started making theirs, but I know a few people that are happy with theirs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not from the uk but 12k seems spectacularly low for the whole thing installed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dashmezzo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago That was after the government grant. So it would have been a lot more than that. But my cost was 12k permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nutbolt@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) any heat pump which also cools is not eligible for the £7,500 grant This was changed last month, but I think only for air to air systems. Any air to air system which happens to also provide cooling is also included now I believe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I’m not sure this did change, at least I can’t find any reference to it, other than a potential proposal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MudMan@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago That depends on what pump you're using and for what. We installed one this year that handles heating and hot water, but is currently not plugged in to do AC (it can do it, the rest of the installation just can't support it). I don't think anybody refers to those as reverse cycle AC. Certainly none of our installers or the people handing the government grants we got as part of the process. That's generally used to refer to window units that can do both heat and cold air. Maybe Americans use the term for their crazy outdoor towers to do centralized air heating and cooling? I wouldn't know. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] youngalfred@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) Curious what the cheaper alternative is - what country are you from? Where I am we don't call them 'heat pumps', they are just reverse cycle air conditioners and it's the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (5 children) I’m in the UK, short-term cheaper alternative is keeping your existing gas boiler until it breaks down… so roughly 20-30 years. The government gives £7,500 towards a heat pump but that has resulted in prices staying artificially high and virtually every install for a 3-4 bed home comes in at £10,000. A new gas boiler is around £1,500-£2,000. Due to some other short sightedness, any heat pump which also cools is not eligible for the £7,500 grant, which is really problematic when temperatures keep rising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] youngalfred@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago any heat pump which also cools is not eligible That's seriously stupid - it's the same thing except it can reverse the refrigerant flow to transfer heat energy outside vs inside. To much backward thinking to plan for needing the ability to cool, especially given your heatwaves over the past few years. I'm in Australia and I don't think you can buy just a (heater) heat pump. They're pretty cheap too - you can find split system reverse cycle easily for under £500 each. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago I am genuinely waiting for the grants to finish (or be updated), as it feels like all the installation companies just hiked their prices to take advantage of the grants. I've got the power run, massive radiators, and thick pipes, all ready to roll. The big one that will really push HPs, imo, will be if gas starts to rise in price relative to electricity. At the moment, it's about level in cost to run, even though a HP is 3x+ more efficient. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al [S] 8 points 1 year ago I just did a check on Heat Geek the other day for my house. It'd cost me £7,500 on top of the grant to convert the place to a heat pump 😭 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dashmezzo@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) We had one added and also solar and batteries all in one go. It was around £12k in total I think. Check out Octopus energy Heat pumps if you have a momnet. They are more cost effective and also 0% load for a couple of years. They are doing good things to get more people to switch over. I personally had mine before they started making theirs, but I know a few people that are happy with theirs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not from the uk but 12k seems spectacularly low for the whole thing installed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dashmezzo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago That was after the government grant. So it would have been a lot more than that. But my cost was 12k permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nutbolt@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) any heat pump which also cools is not eligible for the £7,500 grant This was changed last month, but I think only for air to air systems. Any air to air system which happens to also provide cooling is also included now I believe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I’m not sure this did change, at least I can’t find any reference to it, other than a potential proposal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MudMan@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago That depends on what pump you're using and for what. We installed one this year that handles heating and hot water, but is currently not plugged in to do AC (it can do it, the rest of the installation just can't support it). I don't think anybody refers to those as reverse cycle AC. Certainly none of our installers or the people handing the government grants we got as part of the process. That's generally used to refer to window units that can do both heat and cold air. Maybe Americans use the term for their crazy outdoor towers to do centralized air heating and cooling? I wouldn't know. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (5 children) I’m in the UK, short-term cheaper alternative is keeping your existing gas boiler until it breaks down… so roughly 20-30 years. The government gives £7,500 towards a heat pump but that has resulted in prices staying artificially high and virtually every install for a 3-4 bed home comes in at £10,000. A new gas boiler is around £1,500-£2,000. Due to some other short sightedness, any heat pump which also cools is not eligible for the £7,500 grant, which is really problematic when temperatures keep rising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] youngalfred@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago any heat pump which also cools is not eligible That's seriously stupid - it's the same thing except it can reverse the refrigerant flow to transfer heat energy outside vs inside. To much backward thinking to plan for needing the ability to cool, especially given your heatwaves over the past few years. I'm in Australia and I don't think you can buy just a (heater) heat pump. They're pretty cheap too - you can find split system reverse cycle easily for under £500 each. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago I am genuinely waiting for the grants to finish (or be updated), as it feels like all the installation companies just hiked their prices to take advantage of the grants. I've got the power run, massive radiators, and thick pipes, all ready to roll. The big one that will really push HPs, imo, will be if gas starts to rise in price relative to electricity. At the moment, it's about level in cost to run, even though a HP is 3x+ more efficient. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al [S] 8 points 1 year ago I just did a check on Heat Geek the other day for my house. It'd cost me £7,500 on top of the grant to convert the place to a heat pump 😭 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dashmezzo@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) We had one added and also solar and batteries all in one go. It was around £12k in total I think. Check out Octopus energy Heat pumps if you have a momnet. They are more cost effective and also 0% load for a couple of years. They are doing good things to get more people to switch over. I personally had mine before they started making theirs, but I know a few people that are happy with theirs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not from the uk but 12k seems spectacularly low for the whole thing installed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dashmezzo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago That was after the government grant. So it would have been a lot more than that. But my cost was 12k permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nutbolt@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) any heat pump which also cools is not eligible for the £7,500 grant This was changed last month, but I think only for air to air systems. Any air to air system which happens to also provide cooling is also included now I believe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I’m not sure this did change, at least I can’t find any reference to it, other than a potential proposal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] youngalfred@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago any heat pump which also cools is not eligible That's seriously stupid - it's the same thing except it can reverse the refrigerant flow to transfer heat energy outside vs inside. To much backward thinking to plan for needing the ability to cool, especially given your heatwaves over the past few years. I'm in Australia and I don't think you can buy just a (heater) heat pump. They're pretty cheap too - you can find split system reverse cycle easily for under £500 each. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago I am genuinely waiting for the grants to finish (or be updated), as it feels like all the installation companies just hiked their prices to take advantage of the grants. I've got the power run, massive radiators, and thick pipes, all ready to roll. The big one that will really push HPs, imo, will be if gas starts to rise in price relative to electricity. At the moment, it's about level in cost to run, even though a HP is 3x+ more efficient. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al [S] 8 points 1 year ago I just did a check on Heat Geek the other day for my house. It'd cost me £7,500 on top of the grant to convert the place to a heat pump 😭 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dashmezzo@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) We had one added and also solar and batteries all in one go. It was around £12k in total I think. Check out Octopus energy Heat pumps if you have a momnet. They are more cost effective and also 0% load for a couple of years. They are doing good things to get more people to switch over. I personally had mine before they started making theirs, but I know a few people that are happy with theirs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not from the uk but 12k seems spectacularly low for the whole thing installed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dashmezzo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago That was after the government grant. So it would have been a lot more than that. But my cost was 12k permalink fedilink source parent
[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not from the uk but 12k seems spectacularly low for the whole thing installed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dashmezzo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago That was after the government grant. So it would have been a lot more than that. But my cost was 12k permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dashmezzo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago That was after the government grant. So it would have been a lot more than that. But my cost was 12k permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nutbolt@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) any heat pump which also cools is not eligible for the £7,500 grant This was changed last month, but I think only for air to air systems. Any air to air system which happens to also provide cooling is also included now I believe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I’m not sure this did change, at least I can’t find any reference to it, other than a potential proposal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I’m not sure this did change, at least I can’t find any reference to it, other than a potential proposal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MudMan@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago That depends on what pump you're using and for what. We installed one this year that handles heating and hot water, but is currently not plugged in to do AC (it can do it, the rest of the installation just can't support it). I don't think anybody refers to those as reverse cycle AC. Certainly none of our installers or the people handing the government grants we got as part of the process. That's generally used to refer to window units that can do both heat and cold air. Maybe Americans use the term for their crazy outdoor towers to do centralized air heating and cooling? I wouldn't know. permalink fedilink source parent