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[–] Justdaveisfine@midwest.social 45 points 1 year ago (3 children) Hmm I don't think I get this one. Is it because its in a cage? I don't think that will do much to block the WiFi antenna. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 113 points 1 year ago (2 children) The bar spacing is smaller than 2.4GHz radio waves. It absolutely will affect signal. Should have used a plastic cage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago (1 child) Are they really that big? Huh, TIL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 89 points 1 year ago (1 child) 12cm permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Fascinating, thanks for the info permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scope1684@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I really enjoyed the Technology Connections video on Michaelwave ovens, actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oo1@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago Michealwaves have like 200 times more michaelfarads of capacity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) Doesn't look grounded, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago Screws in masonry probably act as a poor Ufer ground. The current is minuscule. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nao@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) If it wasn't grounded the cage wouldn't block the signal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago Wrap your phone in aluminium foil and get back to me permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago It is probably more of a reflector rather than blocker, sending the signal back through the wall permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 year ago* (1 child) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Faraday cages cannot block stable or slowly varying magnetic fields, such as the Earth's magnetic field (a compass will still work inside one). To a large degree, however, they shield the interior from external electromagnetic radiation if the conductor is thick enough and any holes are significantly smaller than the wavelength of the radiation I'm certainly no expert, but something tells me the cage in OP's pic doesn't fit the criteria to act as a faraday cage. E: Nope, I'm wrong. u/deegeese has informed me on how big the wavelength is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 33 points 1 year ago (1 child) The mesh is not dense enough to be a true Faraday cage for 2.4GHz, but is dense enough to hurt signal strength. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Probably not for a MIMO AP. The whole idea is that you solve the equations to optimize in the presence of multipath. It's legit wizard shit but it's the reason why your cell phone works in a parking garage, because the optimal channel is bouncing off the ventilation shaft. For any reasonably modern AP, it should work the same way. This might hurt a bit but not that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago MIMO will solve lensing issues but not internal reflection or absorbance. So like OP says, it’s a signal strength issue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago* It says WiFi is "slow" not "off." I have definitely personally experienced WiFi instability with metals in between the WiFi and a PC. Looks like possibly enough to make it drop a bunch of packets to me at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zout@fedia.io 14 points 1 year ago It will not act as a Faraday cage, the holes need to smaller for that, about 1 cm max. However, wifi signals do get disturbed by a cage like this due to the low power of these signals. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Wifi is a fickle beast, though you may be right. The elements of the cage will probably interfere, but won't straight up block the signal. To be an effective faraday cage, holes in the material must be no bigger than 1/10th the wavelength. 2.4GHz wifi has a wavelength of 12cm, and 5GHz is about 5cm...so holes in the cage should be no bigger than 1.2cm for 2.4GHz, or 0.5cm for 5GHz. I may expect some signal reflection and likely a high noise floor as a result to being so close to a hunk of metal. That'll cause some problems. Problem #1 is this AP is oriented vertically on a wall. The antennas in these models are designed to be parallel to the floor, and usually not much higher than 15ft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) 2.4GHz wifi has a wavelength of 12cm that's actually massive, I thought it would be like half a centimeter at most permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Newer standards are substantially shorter at 5GHz and 6GHz, but this comes at the cost of significantly worse signal penetration through walls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago Which in a gym will be will be fine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 113 points 1 year ago (2 children) The bar spacing is smaller than 2.4GHz radio waves. It absolutely will affect signal. Should have used a plastic cage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago (1 child) Are they really that big? Huh, TIL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 89 points 1 year ago (1 child) 12cm permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Fascinating, thanks for the info permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scope1684@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I really enjoyed the Technology Connections video on Michaelwave ovens, actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oo1@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago Michealwaves have like 200 times more michaelfarads of capacity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) Doesn't look grounded, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago Screws in masonry probably act as a poor Ufer ground. The current is minuscule. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nao@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) If it wasn't grounded the cage wouldn't block the signal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago Wrap your phone in aluminium foil and get back to me permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago It is probably more of a reflector rather than blocker, sending the signal back through the wall permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago (1 child) Are they really that big? Huh, TIL. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 89 points 1 year ago (1 child) 12cm permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Fascinating, thanks for the info permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scope1684@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I really enjoyed the Technology Connections video on Michaelwave ovens, actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oo1@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago Michealwaves have like 200 times more michaelfarads of capacity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 89 points 1 year ago (1 child) 12cm permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Fascinating, thanks for the info permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scope1684@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I really enjoyed the Technology Connections video on Michaelwave ovens, actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oo1@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago Michealwaves have like 200 times more michaelfarads of capacity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Fascinating, thanks for the info permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scope1684@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I really enjoyed the Technology Connections video on Michaelwave ovens, actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oo1@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago Michealwaves have like 200 times more michaelfarads of capacity. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Scope1684@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I really enjoyed the Technology Connections video on Michaelwave ovens, actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oo1@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago Michealwaves have like 200 times more michaelfarads of capacity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I really enjoyed the Technology Connections video on Michaelwave ovens, actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oo1@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago Michealwaves have like 200 times more michaelfarads of capacity. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] oo1@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago Michealwaves have like 200 times more michaelfarads of capacity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] oo1@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago Michealwaves have like 200 times more michaelfarads of capacity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) Doesn't look grounded, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago Screws in masonry probably act as a poor Ufer ground. The current is minuscule. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nao@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) If it wasn't grounded the cage wouldn't block the signal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago Wrap your phone in aluminium foil and get back to me permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago It is probably more of a reflector rather than blocker, sending the signal back through the wall permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago Screws in masonry probably act as a poor Ufer ground. The current is minuscule. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nao@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) If it wasn't grounded the cage wouldn't block the signal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago Wrap your phone in aluminium foil and get back to me permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago Wrap your phone in aluminium foil and get back to me permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago It is probably more of a reflector rather than blocker, sending the signal back through the wall permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 year ago* (1 child) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Faraday cages cannot block stable or slowly varying magnetic fields, such as the Earth's magnetic field (a compass will still work inside one). To a large degree, however, they shield the interior from external electromagnetic radiation if the conductor is thick enough and any holes are significantly smaller than the wavelength of the radiation I'm certainly no expert, but something tells me the cage in OP's pic doesn't fit the criteria to act as a faraday cage. E: Nope, I'm wrong. u/deegeese has informed me on how big the wavelength is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 33 points 1 year ago (1 child) The mesh is not dense enough to be a true Faraday cage for 2.4GHz, but is dense enough to hurt signal strength. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Probably not for a MIMO AP. The whole idea is that you solve the equations to optimize in the presence of multipath. It's legit wizard shit but it's the reason why your cell phone works in a parking garage, because the optimal channel is bouncing off the ventilation shaft. For any reasonably modern AP, it should work the same way. This might hurt a bit but not that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago MIMO will solve lensing issues but not internal reflection or absorbance. So like OP says, it’s a signal strength issue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago* It says WiFi is "slow" not "off." I have definitely personally experienced WiFi instability with metals in between the WiFi and a PC. Looks like possibly enough to make it drop a bunch of packets to me at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zout@fedia.io 14 points 1 year ago It will not act as a Faraday cage, the holes need to smaller for that, about 1 cm max. However, wifi signals do get disturbed by a cage like this due to the low power of these signals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grostleton@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) Faraday cages cannot block stable or slowly varying magnetic fields, such as the Earth's magnetic field (a compass will still work inside one). To a large degree, however, they shield the interior from external electromagnetic radiation if the conductor is thick enough and any holes are significantly smaller than the wavelength of the radiation I'm certainly no expert, but something tells me the cage in OP's pic doesn't fit the criteria to act as a faraday cage. E: Nope, I'm wrong. u/deegeese has informed me on how big the wavelength is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 33 points 1 year ago (1 child) The mesh is not dense enough to be a true Faraday cage for 2.4GHz, but is dense enough to hurt signal strength. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Probably not for a MIMO AP. The whole idea is that you solve the equations to optimize in the presence of multipath. It's legit wizard shit but it's the reason why your cell phone works in a parking garage, because the optimal channel is bouncing off the ventilation shaft. For any reasonably modern AP, it should work the same way. This might hurt a bit but not that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago MIMO will solve lensing issues but not internal reflection or absorbance. So like OP says, it’s a signal strength issue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago* It says WiFi is "slow" not "off." I have definitely personally experienced WiFi instability with metals in between the WiFi and a PC. Looks like possibly enough to make it drop a bunch of packets to me at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zout@fedia.io 14 points 1 year ago It will not act as a Faraday cage, the holes need to smaller for that, about 1 cm max. However, wifi signals do get disturbed by a cage like this due to the low power of these signals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 33 points 1 year ago (1 child) The mesh is not dense enough to be a true Faraday cage for 2.4GHz, but is dense enough to hurt signal strength. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Probably not for a MIMO AP. The whole idea is that you solve the equations to optimize in the presence of multipath. It's legit wizard shit but it's the reason why your cell phone works in a parking garage, because the optimal channel is bouncing off the ventilation shaft. For any reasonably modern AP, it should work the same way. This might hurt a bit but not that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago MIMO will solve lensing issues but not internal reflection or absorbance. So like OP says, it’s a signal strength issue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Probably not for a MIMO AP. The whole idea is that you solve the equations to optimize in the presence of multipath. It's legit wizard shit but it's the reason why your cell phone works in a parking garage, because the optimal channel is bouncing off the ventilation shaft. For any reasonably modern AP, it should work the same way. This might hurt a bit but not that much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago MIMO will solve lensing issues but not internal reflection or absorbance. So like OP says, it’s a signal strength issue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago MIMO will solve lensing issues but not internal reflection or absorbance. So like OP says, it’s a signal strength issue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago* It says WiFi is "slow" not "off." I have definitely personally experienced WiFi instability with metals in between the WiFi and a PC. Looks like possibly enough to make it drop a bunch of packets to me at least. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zout@fedia.io 14 points 1 year ago It will not act as a Faraday cage, the holes need to smaller for that, about 1 cm max. However, wifi signals do get disturbed by a cage like this due to the low power of these signals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Wifi is a fickle beast, though you may be right. The elements of the cage will probably interfere, but won't straight up block the signal. To be an effective faraday cage, holes in the material must be no bigger than 1/10th the wavelength. 2.4GHz wifi has a wavelength of 12cm, and 5GHz is about 5cm...so holes in the cage should be no bigger than 1.2cm for 2.4GHz, or 0.5cm for 5GHz. I may expect some signal reflection and likely a high noise floor as a result to being so close to a hunk of metal. That'll cause some problems. Problem #1 is this AP is oriented vertically on a wall. The antennas in these models are designed to be parallel to the floor, and usually not much higher than 15ft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) 2.4GHz wifi has a wavelength of 12cm that's actually massive, I thought it would be like half a centimeter at most permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Newer standards are substantially shorter at 5GHz and 6GHz, but this comes at the cost of significantly worse signal penetration through walls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago Which in a gym will be will be fine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) 2.4GHz wifi has a wavelength of 12cm that's actually massive, I thought it would be like half a centimeter at most permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Newer standards are substantially shorter at 5GHz and 6GHz, but this comes at the cost of significantly worse signal penetration through walls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago Which in a gym will be will be fine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Newer standards are substantially shorter at 5GHz and 6GHz, but this comes at the cost of significantly worse signal penetration through walls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago Which in a gym will be will be fine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago Which in a gym will be will be fine. permalink fedilink source parent