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No Kings Protest, Minnesota (lemmy.world)
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[+] -52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It would be more incredible if those people were armed and swarming the studios of radical fascist media and beating the hell out of pro-trump talking heads.

Standing around waving signs and cheerleading shitty chants does nothing and will be forgotten in a week.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    History has overwhelmingly shown that non-violence is more successful than violence. You do you.

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  • [+] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Often it's the shadow of violence that is most effective. A peaceful protest, that is safe enough for families etc is perfect for snowballing. Focused action and the threat of counter violence keeps the government in check.

    Too violent, and the support collapsed, letting the police simply overwhelm it. Too passive, and the whole thing can be ignored.

    The Irish troubles are a good example. Protests and marches showed popular support. While the Sinn Fein party provided a political face. The IRA then made sure that proper attention was paid. All 3 were required to achieve their goals.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    it took an entire fucking war to end slavery in the United States.

    Well... how's that going?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    if you confused about slavery legality in the united states, slavery is illegal.

    hope this helps you.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Now we are debt slaves instead. Success.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm wary to use terms like debt slavery or wage slavery because it downplays the horrors of actual slavery.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah there are certainly logistical comparisons that could be made, but like c'mon... actually being completely and legally owned would suck so so so so much worse. Just another reminder of what's at stake if we don't put up a fight.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The more I learn about history, the more I learn that violence changed things 99% of the time since before the Roman Empire.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Also after

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Into the exact same regime with a new color of paint?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can you give one example where non-violence caused actual long standing change with 0 violence?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Norway leaving the union with Sweden in 1905 is famously one of the very few times secession was done non-violently. But to be fair there was large political pressure from Swedish socal democrats that urged the king not to go to war and the Sweds and Norwegians liked each other and remained good friends and allies afterwards.

    Maybe if both parties start to work on the relationship and get friendly right away, then you could maybe have a peaceful resolution in 50 to 100 years time.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Youre really going to post the most controversial study there is because they cherry picked data?

    Please give me one actual example of where the people toppled the government and enacted change... through non-violent protesting.

    Moving the goal posts yeah yeah yeah. Give me an article or proof then of 1 single thing that caused real, permanent change, like I originally asked. Not some mass "several" article.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Violence is far more successful, historically speaking.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No it hasnt. Power doesnt abdicate itself because you begged

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Protest aren't begging. They are a demonstration of capacity for action.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    My city has had good turnout for a few protests in the last few months, but yesterday was the first time we took to the streets and caused a few traffic jams. I know it isn't much, but it is an escalation. It was like scratching an itch, and I'm ready for whatever's next.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Absolutely not. History has shown that violence works. The Sufragettes protested peacefully for 40 years with no result whatsoever. They won because they became violent. The French revolution was a success because they resorted to violence. The American revolution was a success because they resorted to violence. Peaceful demonstrations don't work, sorry guys.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    The French revolution is a perfect example of what is wrong with violent revolution. Power vacuums attract the kind of people that will do anything for power. Not to mention the chaos and confusion that came with the actual process of revolution.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    The French revolution was a success because they resorted to violence.

    Are you sure it was a success? How come it seems like people immediately stopped studying French history before Napoleon comes in and tears it all down?

    Edit: Oh look its you. I see you.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    All this pro-violence rhetoric seems to be confusing correlation for causation.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    Okay then you tell me in what scenario a corrupt fascist country of blithering idiots will suddenly decide "oh wow perhaps we should be voting for positive change for all and embrace others in an spirit of patriotic and brotherly love!"? The country has been screaming "GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS!" for a hundred years or more and continually voted to allow more money in politics, and then spent even more money and passed laws to allow more money in politics and set up an entire media universe to tell everyone that only those with excessive amounts of money are good people and are the only ones who should lead government.

    How is YOUR way working out?

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