▲ 1370 ▼ I feel so relieved! (feddit.org) submitted 1 year ago by NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org to c/memes@lemmy.world 233 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The problem is that Germans now just look generally pro-genocidal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children) This is a classic problem of going into one ditch, then oversteering and hitting the opposite ditch. Germany has worked so hard on "The Holocaust was terrible, we will forever support the Jews to make up for it" that they're now supporting a genocidal Jewish state. My point is that I understand why this is hard for them. For them to oppose Israel invokes some associations that they really want to keep far away. However, now, supporting Israel invokes the same associations. This puts them in a kind of catch-22 situation, where no matter what they do, they're invoking associations to the Nazis. To be clear: I think the only right thing to do now is to oppose Israel. I just understand why that is exceptionally hard for Germany. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Iceman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Well put! It's a shame that they put all focus on supporting their primary victim and so little on never again allowing their actions. Their word would weigh heavy thou if they ever stepped on that land mine. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) You're wilfully ignoring the historical context that makes it hard for Germany to oppose Israel. By doing so, you're not helping anyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago If that were the reason, Germany would also have trouble opposing Russia. Yet they don't. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Don't you see that if you want to effect change, it helps to understand why Germany is doing what they're doing now? I have no idea what brings the ICC into this, I'm not aware of cases against any other country than Isreal here. By the way, how does trying to understand why people are doing what they do make me an asshole? I'm trying to be civil here, and I think you're being very impolite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children) This is a classic problem of going into one ditch, then oversteering and hitting the opposite ditch. Germany has worked so hard on "The Holocaust was terrible, we will forever support the Jews to make up for it" that they're now supporting a genocidal Jewish state. My point is that I understand why this is hard for them. For them to oppose Israel invokes some associations that they really want to keep far away. However, now, supporting Israel invokes the same associations. This puts them in a kind of catch-22 situation, where no matter what they do, they're invoking associations to the Nazis. To be clear: I think the only right thing to do now is to oppose Israel. I just understand why that is exceptionally hard for Germany. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Iceman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Well put! It's a shame that they put all focus on supporting their primary victim and so little on never again allowing their actions. Their word would weigh heavy thou if they ever stepped on that land mine. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) You're wilfully ignoring the historical context that makes it hard for Germany to oppose Israel. By doing so, you're not helping anyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago If that were the reason, Germany would also have trouble opposing Russia. Yet they don't. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Don't you see that if you want to effect change, it helps to understand why Germany is doing what they're doing now? I have no idea what brings the ICC into this, I'm not aware of cases against any other country than Isreal here. By the way, how does trying to understand why people are doing what they do make me an asshole? I'm trying to be civil here, and I think you're being very impolite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Well put! It's a shame that they put all focus on supporting their primary victim and so little on never again allowing their actions. Their word would weigh heavy thou if they ever stepped on that land mine. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) You're wilfully ignoring the historical context that makes it hard for Germany to oppose Israel. By doing so, you're not helping anyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago If that were the reason, Germany would also have trouble opposing Russia. Yet they don't. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Don't you see that if you want to effect change, it helps to understand why Germany is doing what they're doing now? I have no idea what brings the ICC into this, I'm not aware of cases against any other country than Isreal here. By the way, how does trying to understand why people are doing what they do make me an asshole? I'm trying to be civil here, and I think you're being very impolite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) You're wilfully ignoring the historical context that makes it hard for Germany to oppose Israel. By doing so, you're not helping anyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago If that were the reason, Germany would also have trouble opposing Russia. Yet they don't. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Don't you see that if you want to effect change, it helps to understand why Germany is doing what they're doing now? I have no idea what brings the ICC into this, I'm not aware of cases against any other country than Isreal here. By the way, how does trying to understand why people are doing what they do make me an asshole? I'm trying to be civil here, and I think you're being very impolite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago If that were the reason, Germany would also have trouble opposing Russia. Yet they don't. permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Don't you see that if you want to effect change, it helps to understand why Germany is doing what they're doing now? I have no idea what brings the ICC into this, I'm not aware of cases against any other country than Isreal here. By the way, how does trying to understand why people are doing what they do make me an asshole? I'm trying to be civil here, and I think you're being very impolite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children) Don't you see that if you want to effect change, it helps to understand why Germany is doing what they're doing now? I have no idea what brings the ICC into this, I'm not aware of cases against any other country than Isreal here. By the way, how does trying to understand why people are doing what they do make me an asshole? I'm trying to be civil here, and I think you're being very impolite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] ofchesoneofthose@lemmings.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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