▲ 961 ▼ Lawsuit Challenging 2024 Election Results Moves Forward After Kamala Harris Received Zero Votes in a New York County (www.latintimes.com) submitted 1 year ago by kinther@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 227 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 72 points 1 year ago (5 children) OK, next question: Let's say we do a 'recount' at this hour, assuming the evidence isn't already lost, what then? Think he's going to go, ohh my bad? Think he's going to leave willingly? Think the court case will even be appropriately handled once it goes to the SCOTUS. Think the SCOTUS will even hear it? How is it 100 days later, we just now hear about this? permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) I think the best outcome would be that it might uncover deliberate malfeasance that might prompt some folks in congress to do what is needed. I wouldn't be optimistic though. Slightly more likely is that such discovery would drive the public towards a congressional swing away from his enablers at the next congressional election next year, assuming we have it. I'm moderately more optimistic on that, apparently such a swing is already forming, but to what extent isn't clear. We can't undo the election results, the congressional count done on jan 6 is definitive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I fear, if it looks like Congress isn't going his way he's just going to seize control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Then it'd be time to put those 2A to use. That's it, the last box in this lineup: Ballot -> Soap -> Jury -> Ammo So if it comes to it y'all are going to have to be willing to use it, unless you'd rather live under a King. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Best case scenarios aren't really on the table. Doesn't mean you stop fighting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I can see how it looks like I'm saying that I'm not advocating that at all. I just want to make sure that people understand this isn't a direct path to change. Even a direct admission will not change anyone's mind. You are at best removing a couple of easy outs** for them to lie and say that's not how it is. In the end they're just going to lie and say that it's not real. It'll be satisfying. It might make some already engaged people a little more engaged, But it isn't **in itself going to drive the needle we're going to need more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago All correct permalink fedilink source parent [–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's...not 100 days later. Its about 190 days later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago fair permalink fedilink source parent [–] ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago Last time he had to go the Capitol was stormed by terrorists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Even if this is true, I don’t think they’re going to find the number of votes to change any outcome. Didn’t Trump win by like 3 million votes? Maybe this could have flipped an electoral college vote, but would that have even mattered? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's a significant assumption that this was an isolated incident. https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-affairs-event/user-clip-trump-admits-they-rigged-the-election/5150039 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Even if it's not isolated, how do you move forward after this unless someone involved confesses and gives up other areas involved? Maybe they weren't dumb enough to be this obvious in other spots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Ideally, you start demanding recounts But I can't imagine that votes are properly taken care of after the fact especially in this case. But then if we find mass wrongdoing in counts, now it's a court thing, It goes to SCOTUS. Are they going to side with him? Frankly, there's no way. It's going to be authoritarian dictatorship or coup I don't think there's any other viable directions this could go. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Is that your general experience with people doing dumb things? That they only do it once? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* I think something like this where the fuck up gets noticed could be done at the poll level to some extent. Orders from above how to it, and this one person or area may have just fucked it up. So these people would probably fuck things up again, but people at a different poll could do it properly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] some_dude@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) I don't think it should necessarily be about overturning the election. I would like to know if our process was compromised, wouldn't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago It absolutely was. It means fuckall unless something is done about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* Kamala carried New York either way, it absolutely would not change anything in the EC e: unless it led to the uncovering of widespread fraud in key swing states, but even then they wouldn't do shit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) I think the best outcome would be that it might uncover deliberate malfeasance that might prompt some folks in congress to do what is needed. I wouldn't be optimistic though. Slightly more likely is that such discovery would drive the public towards a congressional swing away from his enablers at the next congressional election next year, assuming we have it. I'm moderately more optimistic on that, apparently such a swing is already forming, but to what extent isn't clear. We can't undo the election results, the congressional count done on jan 6 is definitive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I fear, if it looks like Congress isn't going his way he's just going to seize control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Then it'd be time to put those 2A to use. That's it, the last box in this lineup: Ballot -> Soap -> Jury -> Ammo So if it comes to it y'all are going to have to be willing to use it, unless you'd rather live under a King. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I fear, if it looks like Congress isn't going his way he's just going to seize control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Then it'd be time to put those 2A to use. That's it, the last box in this lineup: Ballot -> Soap -> Jury -> Ammo So if it comes to it y'all are going to have to be willing to use it, unless you'd rather live under a King. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Then it'd be time to put those 2A to use. That's it, the last box in this lineup: Ballot -> Soap -> Jury -> Ammo So if it comes to it y'all are going to have to be willing to use it, unless you'd rather live under a King. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 child) Best case scenarios aren't really on the table. Doesn't mean you stop fighting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I can see how it looks like I'm saying that I'm not advocating that at all. I just want to make sure that people understand this isn't a direct path to change. Even a direct admission will not change anyone's mind. You are at best removing a couple of easy outs** for them to lie and say that's not how it is. In the end they're just going to lie and say that it's not real. It'll be satisfying. It might make some already engaged people a little more engaged, But it isn't **in itself going to drive the needle we're going to need more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago All correct permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) I can see how it looks like I'm saying that I'm not advocating that at all. I just want to make sure that people understand this isn't a direct path to change. Even a direct admission will not change anyone's mind. You are at best removing a couple of easy outs** for them to lie and say that's not how it is. In the end they're just going to lie and say that it's not real. It'll be satisfying. It might make some already engaged people a little more engaged, But it isn't **in itself going to drive the needle we're going to need more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago All correct permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's...not 100 days later. Its about 190 days later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago fair permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago Last time he had to go the Capitol was stormed by terrorists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Even if this is true, I don’t think they’re going to find the number of votes to change any outcome. Didn’t Trump win by like 3 million votes? Maybe this could have flipped an electoral college vote, but would that have even mattered? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's a significant assumption that this was an isolated incident. https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-affairs-event/user-clip-trump-admits-they-rigged-the-election/5150039 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Even if it's not isolated, how do you move forward after this unless someone involved confesses and gives up other areas involved? Maybe they weren't dumb enough to be this obvious in other spots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Ideally, you start demanding recounts But I can't imagine that votes are properly taken care of after the fact especially in this case. But then if we find mass wrongdoing in counts, now it's a court thing, It goes to SCOTUS. Are they going to side with him? Frankly, there's no way. It's going to be authoritarian dictatorship or coup I don't think there's any other viable directions this could go. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Is that your general experience with people doing dumb things? That they only do it once? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* I think something like this where the fuck up gets noticed could be done at the poll level to some extent. Orders from above how to it, and this one person or area may have just fucked it up. So these people would probably fuck things up again, but people at a different poll could do it properly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] some_dude@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) I don't think it should necessarily be about overturning the election. I would like to know if our process was compromised, wouldn't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago It absolutely was. It means fuckall unless something is done about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* Kamala carried New York either way, it absolutely would not change anything in the EC e: unless it led to the uncovering of widespread fraud in key swing states, but even then they wouldn't do shit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's a significant assumption that this was an isolated incident. https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-affairs-event/user-clip-trump-admits-they-rigged-the-election/5150039 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Even if it's not isolated, how do you move forward after this unless someone involved confesses and gives up other areas involved? Maybe they weren't dumb enough to be this obvious in other spots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Ideally, you start demanding recounts But I can't imagine that votes are properly taken care of after the fact especially in this case. But then if we find mass wrongdoing in counts, now it's a court thing, It goes to SCOTUS. Are they going to side with him? Frankly, there's no way. It's going to be authoritarian dictatorship or coup I don't think there's any other viable directions this could go. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Is that your general experience with people doing dumb things? That they only do it once? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* I think something like this where the fuck up gets noticed could be done at the poll level to some extent. Orders from above how to it, and this one person or area may have just fucked it up. So these people would probably fuck things up again, but people at a different poll could do it properly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Even if it's not isolated, how do you move forward after this unless someone involved confesses and gives up other areas involved? Maybe they weren't dumb enough to be this obvious in other spots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Ideally, you start demanding recounts But I can't imagine that votes are properly taken care of after the fact especially in this case. But then if we find mass wrongdoing in counts, now it's a court thing, It goes to SCOTUS. Are they going to side with him? Frankly, there's no way. It's going to be authoritarian dictatorship or coup I don't think there's any other viable directions this could go. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Is that your general experience with people doing dumb things? That they only do it once? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* I think something like this where the fuck up gets noticed could be done at the poll level to some extent. Orders from above how to it, and this one person or area may have just fucked it up. So these people would probably fuck things up again, but people at a different poll could do it properly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago Ideally, you start demanding recounts But I can't imagine that votes are properly taken care of after the fact especially in this case. But then if we find mass wrongdoing in counts, now it's a court thing, It goes to SCOTUS. Are they going to side with him? Frankly, there's no way. It's going to be authoritarian dictatorship or coup I don't think there's any other viable directions this could go. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Is that your general experience with people doing dumb things? That they only do it once? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* I think something like this where the fuck up gets noticed could be done at the poll level to some extent. Orders from above how to it, and this one person or area may have just fucked it up. So these people would probably fuck things up again, but people at a different poll could do it properly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* I think something like this where the fuck up gets noticed could be done at the poll level to some extent. Orders from above how to it, and this one person or area may have just fucked it up. So these people would probably fuck things up again, but people at a different poll could do it properly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] some_dude@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) I don't think it should necessarily be about overturning the election. I would like to know if our process was compromised, wouldn't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago It absolutely was. It means fuckall unless something is done about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago It absolutely was. It means fuckall unless something is done about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* Kamala carried New York either way, it absolutely would not change anything in the EC e: unless it led to the uncovering of widespread fraud in key swing states, but even then they wouldn't do shit permalink fedilink source parent