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[+] 188 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But how will you make sure their every waking moment is devoted to work? Gotta invest in some ridiculous office space and middle managers to crack the whip.

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  • [–] 62 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That's the thing - if I'm being forced to come into an office when my work doesn't require it, I am 100% a clock watcher, and outside my scheduled work hours, I an unavailable. You sent me an email at 5:01 PM on Friday? I'll read it at 8:00 AM on Monday.

    Take away my flexibility, and I take away yours.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don't understand the other side of this. I work from home and already do this. Work from home is not 24 hours work unless you let it be that. My clock strikes 5pm and my laptop is turned off.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago*

    WFH can enable flexibility on both parts. But, it's highly variable depending on the employer. I might be able to slip out and go to a dentist appointment in the middle of the day without using comp leave, etc. If the employer allows me that flexibility, I may be more willing to be more flexible to respond to an email or a message after hours on occasion. The flexibility is give and take between the employer and the employee.

    Now, I understand that not everyone wants that. For me personally with kids to deal with and family things that come up here and there, I much prefer the flexibility and the occasional work evening that's a bit later or the occasional work morning that's a bit earlier. Then I can save my comp leave time for when my kids are out of school or I want to plan a vacation rather than using it up on the small trivial things throughout the year.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I am the same way with watching the clock and being unavailable after hours for work shit. I won't be, come November, because I'll be added to the on-call rotation. Not looking forward to it, but I plan on using the assignment of extra responsibility to ask for extra money. I think I deserve a raise lol. I work super hard because I genuinely like my company and what I do. It's the first job I've had that hasn't been toxic in any way.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I mean, being on-call is something that implicitly comes with compensation to match. I'm sure there are outliers, but it is literally extra work. It wouldn't make sense any other way.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    There is a guy in our group who had a special arrangement because his wife was sick so they allowed him to WFH regularly as long as he came in for certain things.

    After Covid, they decided everyone needed to be back in the office NOW and didn’t want to have to deal with people whining because some people got a special pass that was in place before Covid, so they took it away from him.

    Instead of answering the hard (obvious) questions and being irritated for a finite amount of time, they made this guy upend his whole life (he lives many hours away) and that of his family - to return to work on a regular basis.

    Failure of fucking leadership right there.

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  • [+] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)
  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's quite possible he had no choice since his health insurance was likely tied to his employment. If his wife was also on that insurance, it could be too big of a risk to drop it.

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  • [+] -15 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They also take 2-3 months to kick in, and that would also mean potentially resetting a deductible that has already been met, and it's very hard to tell if everything they need will be covered. I'm sure their decisions were not made lightly.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I've set up 'informal working arrangements' for a few people in my team because of family arrangements, health etc.

    I might have also told one of the execs that I thought the return to office policy was BS while tipsy one night. He did agree though...

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    if that happens, she’s gone, and they lose someone with almost 19 years of experience who literally writes their training manuals on how to do what she does, lol.

    She openly told her boss that if they tell her to come into the office she will willingly quit the job and forfeit unemployment so they can downsize that headcount and spread around the work to other employees?

    Gotta play 3D chess, don't show them your hand. They now have an easy way to fire her on demand without cause and without having a mark on their employment numbers.

    Have to go with the angle of: if you make me move you need to pay my relocation costs because you have asked me to move. After all, this isn't new and they have known your home address for 10 years. Make them cover the increased cost or they get to pay unemployment for laying you off. That's the only real angle you probably have anyway that gives them a cost.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not to mention she wrote a manual on her job so her replacement will have an easy time picking up.

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