▲ 676 ▼ This led to a very confusing discussion in the replies about the varying fares and systems of public transit in the Oakland-San Francisco area (lemmy.world) submitted 1 year ago by destructdisc@lemmy.world to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world 223 comments fedilink hide all child comments As it turns out it doesn't actually cost that much on regular transit, there's an AIRPORT SURCHARGE because it's an "airport train". No wonder Americans don't use public transit, even when the system exists it's ridiculously difficult and expensive to use. Source
[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 18 points 1 year ago (10 children) Wait... Employers don't cover travel cost to and from work in America..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (4 children) Where do they cover your commuting costs? I've never heard of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mogranja@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago In Brazil, it's pretty common for the employer to pay your transit fare to/from work. Often you can receive the same value directly instead if you choose to use another form of transportation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago Here in Paris, half of our transportation fee (carte Navigo, 87€ per month) is paid by the employer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jonne@infosec.pub 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child) It's common in multiple European countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago but also not common in multiple european countries permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Shit bruh, even here in the fucked up USA, plenty of places (in cities, anyway) subsidize commutes. My employer pays for half of my public transport costs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Entheon@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) Nope, very rarely do you see them cover it at all. That's why we hate our 1+ hour drive commutes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Wtf? It's normal in the Netherlands... Public transport will be the whole second class price. By car it is up to 23 cents per kilometer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Entheon@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago Gosh that would be nice. Unfortunately we are stuck on simpler issues like "do kids deserve to eat at school", so it'll probably be a while before we get paid commute time. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago Where do employers cover the cost of sommuting? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Peaches@lemmy.today 6 points 1 year ago Pretty rarely, far as I know. I've seen some that cover public transit costs at least. It's more common for them to only reimburse costs for travel during work hours or for business related trips. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zexks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Lmao. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* Many do: I believe there is a tax incentive for them. I’ve only had it while working downtown, and in a white collar job. So not where you’d usually drive to work and not for hourly pay. Given that there are very few required benefits, it can be fairly regressive. You don’t get help with transit unless you’re an aid enough. You don’t get better health coverage unless you’re paid enough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] shifty@leminal.space 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Not required. SF does have an ordinance to cover some costs depending on the number of employees. But its not some nationwide law. If you're a fancy tech bro in SF all your costs are covered, health/dental/vision/life insurance, commuting stipend or govt subsidized account you get to put pre-tax money in and the company might match, matching contributions for your retirement 401K. The techbro class doesn't care about the cost of BART, many of them take an UBER for 3-4x the BART faire and not bat and eye at the bill (or use the company UBER account for free). If you're just some random minimum wage worker, you'd be lucky to live within an hour or two commute of SF and afford housing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Surprisingly it is a national law, but it’s in the tax code as an optional benefit so it’s usually the better part paying jobs that get it, weirdly enough. Scroll to “commuter benefit) https://www.irs.gov/publications/p15b#en_US_2025_publink1000193741 permalink fedilink source parent [–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago I was a techbro in sf. I worked from home most days, but when I went to the office, I used Bart and my bicycle. It was great. I hate cars. And, yes, I got the State to refund me for my monthly Bart pass permalink fedilink source parent [–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago Not in Canada either permalink fedilink source parent [–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago They do. You have to apply for it, and there's a ceiling per month. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (4 children) Where do they cover your commuting costs? I've never heard of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mogranja@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago In Brazil, it's pretty common for the employer to pay your transit fare to/from work. Often you can receive the same value directly instead if you choose to use another form of transportation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago Here in Paris, half of our transportation fee (carte Navigo, 87€ per month) is paid by the employer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jonne@infosec.pub 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child) It's common in multiple European countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago but also not common in multiple european countries permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Shit bruh, even here in the fucked up USA, plenty of places (in cities, anyway) subsidize commutes. My employer pays for half of my public transport costs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mogranja@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago In Brazil, it's pretty common for the employer to pay your transit fare to/from work. Often you can receive the same value directly instead if you choose to use another form of transportation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago Here in Paris, half of our transportation fee (carte Navigo, 87€ per month) is paid by the employer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jonne@infosec.pub 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child) It's common in multiple European countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago but also not common in multiple european countries permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago but also not common in multiple european countries permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Shit bruh, even here in the fucked up USA, plenty of places (in cities, anyway) subsidize commutes. My employer pays for half of my public transport costs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Entheon@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) Nope, very rarely do you see them cover it at all. That's why we hate our 1+ hour drive commutes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Wtf? It's normal in the Netherlands... Public transport will be the whole second class price. By car it is up to 23 cents per kilometer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Entheon@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago Gosh that would be nice. Unfortunately we are stuck on simpler issues like "do kids deserve to eat at school", so it'll probably be a while before we get paid commute time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Wtf? It's normal in the Netherlands... Public transport will be the whole second class price. By car it is up to 23 cents per kilometer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Entheon@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago Gosh that would be nice. Unfortunately we are stuck on simpler issues like "do kids deserve to eat at school", so it'll probably be a while before we get paid commute time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Entheon@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago Gosh that would be nice. Unfortunately we are stuck on simpler issues like "do kids deserve to eat at school", so it'll probably be a while before we get paid commute time. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago Where do employers cover the cost of sommuting? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Peaches@lemmy.today 6 points 1 year ago Pretty rarely, far as I know. I've seen some that cover public transit costs at least. It's more common for them to only reimburse costs for travel during work hours or for business related trips. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* Many do: I believe there is a tax incentive for them. I’ve only had it while working downtown, and in a white collar job. So not where you’d usually drive to work and not for hourly pay. Given that there are very few required benefits, it can be fairly regressive. You don’t get help with transit unless you’re an aid enough. You don’t get better health coverage unless you’re paid enough. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shifty@leminal.space 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Not required. SF does have an ordinance to cover some costs depending on the number of employees. But its not some nationwide law. If you're a fancy tech bro in SF all your costs are covered, health/dental/vision/life insurance, commuting stipend or govt subsidized account you get to put pre-tax money in and the company might match, matching contributions for your retirement 401K. The techbro class doesn't care about the cost of BART, many of them take an UBER for 3-4x the BART faire and not bat and eye at the bill (or use the company UBER account for free). If you're just some random minimum wage worker, you'd be lucky to live within an hour or two commute of SF and afford housing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Surprisingly it is a national law, but it’s in the tax code as an optional benefit so it’s usually the better part paying jobs that get it, weirdly enough. Scroll to “commuter benefit) https://www.irs.gov/publications/p15b#en_US_2025_publink1000193741 permalink fedilink source parent [–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago I was a techbro in sf. I worked from home most days, but when I went to the office, I used Bart and my bicycle. It was great. I hate cars. And, yes, I got the State to refund me for my monthly Bart pass permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Surprisingly it is a national law, but it’s in the tax code as an optional benefit so it’s usually the better part paying jobs that get it, weirdly enough. Scroll to “commuter benefit) https://www.irs.gov/publications/p15b#en_US_2025_publink1000193741 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago I was a techbro in sf. I worked from home most days, but when I went to the office, I used Bart and my bicycle. It was great. I hate cars. And, yes, I got the State to refund me for my monthly Bart pass permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago Not in Canada either permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago They do. You have to apply for it, and there's a ceiling per month. permalink fedilink source parent