At what point do you realize that so long as the DNC and the RNC run the show

Lol. What's your alternative suggestion? No 3rd party has A SINGLE MEMBER IN CONGRESS. Because no 3rd party has done the work required to put a single member in Congress. Therefore, no 3rd party is viable.

Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

I'll take "Dumbass Comments" For $500, Alex.

Look, I’ma be real: I have no fucking clue what you are mad at us for.

You have no clue why I'm mad at the people who invited in the fascists.

Really.

There are people who are actively trying to kill us.

Yep, and a large number of people decided to just hand over all levers of power over to those people! At least it wasn't the DEMS who got the levers of power! That would have been the REAL atrocity.

There are people who will sit around and watch us die without meaningfully trying to forstall it.

Yeah, that's literally the fucking people who refused to vote for "Kamalacaust".

The people who hold the power to help everyone have consistently failed to enact any meaningful change and have consistently failed to listen to the working class begging for relief. If this had happened in 1996, I could almost understand your viewpoint because at that point this would’ve been a surprise.

Fuck's sake, in 1996 the Dem party was considerably more right-wing and anti-worker than it is now.

You say the working class is begging for relief, and you're correct - but you don't get that the working class is getting exactly what it's begging for. The relief it begs for, time and time again, is fueled by corporate misinformation about the root causes of their suffering, and no amount of "DEMS BAD" changes that a supermajority of voting Americans regularly and often quite cheerfully vote, both in primaries (where more left options are absolutely available) and in general elections, for right-wing (whether right-wing in the sense of liberalism, or right-wing in the sense of fucking fascism) solutions to those problems.

You're putting the blame for a fucked population on an amoral self-centered party apparatus. The amoral self-centered party apparatus would all be hanged in a just society, don't get me wrong - but they're not the core of the fucking problem. The core of the fucking problem is the widespread acceptance of dogshit right-wing ideology in the population - yes, including the working class - and pretending that if only we had a DIFFERENT party apparatus, or different people in charge of it, would change that fundamentally FUCKED issue is delusional.

But the simple fact of the matter is is that the working class has been begging for relief (and has watched DEMOCRATIC presidents bail out billionaires that drove us deeper into poverty)and every time we ask the DNC or the RNC for any kind of relief we have been systematically ignored and told to vote for the lesser of two evils with literally no choice to not vote for evil.

When was it that we had a choice to "not vote for evil"?

Look down through history. There are rarely, if ever, good options, there are simply less bad options. And if you insist on taking the worse option, it will not result in you having better options next time around, but worse options. There's no karmic pendulum swinging, waiting for evil to win to give good a victory in exchange.

At what point do you realize that so long as the DNC and the RNC run the show, we will never find a good position? In fact, that’s exactly how we got Donald trump in the first place. The RNC didn’t like him any more than we did, but he got the nomination because working class Americans are sick and tired of corrupt representatives who don’t give a shit about us.

Oh cool, glad to see what brilliant solutions you have lined up. If only we cast off these wretched old party apparati, we would get candidates like [checks notes] Donald Trump, who is more nakedly and viciously fascist than the GOP has been since the 19 fucking 30s.

But unlike the RNC, when the Democrats were being challenged by an anti-establishment candidate, instead of listening to the will of the people fairly and unbiasedly, the dems do their damnedest to torpedo the campaigns of progressive candidates any chance they can.

Jesus fucking Christ. "The GOP loves the will of the people" is not a new one, but it always astounds me how many "left-wing" commenters eagerly swallow that fascist shit in their fervor to make sure everyone knows they think the SHITLIBS are the WORST OPTION POSSIBLE.

Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

Cool, so now fascists have, what, over a supermajority in this country? After all, scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. How many socialists do you think there are in the US? Bernie fucking Sanders is considered a radical here. Not just by "The Establishment(tm)", by actual voters on the fucking ground.

Get your own fucking house in order and fight the people who put us in this mess.

"Hey, let's fight the literal fucking fascists!"

"Fuck off, shitlib! I'd rather see the fascists win than fight with you!"

They’re the enemy. Not me. Not you. Them.

Apparently the liberals are the enemy, according to you. Which checks out, considering that you're playing apologist for people who preferred literal fascism over the liberals winning in a country where liberals are the majority of what passes for fucking left-sentiment amongst voters.