▲ 813 ▼ Barack Obama Is Also Scared Shitless That Donald Trump Could Win Another Term: Report (www.vanityfair.com) submitted 3 years ago by eurekaphoenix@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 371 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 131 points 3 years ago (1 child) We all should be. But that won't happen if people go out there and vote, godamnit. And don't just vote to keep Trump out. Vote to keep him and his party out of office. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 48 points 3 years ago (2 children) We don't get a vote of no confidence. There's no box to check that says "No Trump". Also, Hillary got more votes than Trump did, so simply having more voters on your side doesn't necessarily mean that Trump will lose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wagoner@infosec.pub 61 points 3 years ago (1 child) So .. don't vote? There absolutely is a No Trump voting option - only one - and it's voting for Biden. There are several Yes Trump voting options: vote for Trump specifically, vote for a third party candidate, or vote for no one. It's not that complicated. Do the electoral map and electoral college make this difficult to achieve? Of course. But we can only win if we vote, and are guaranteed to lose if we don't. The fascists love voter apathy. Don't do their job for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world -23 points 3 years ago (5 children) I never said "Don't vote". However, I do think that we should be able to vote "no confidence", and if "no confidence" wins, they should have to do a while new election with new candidates. I vote for candidates who offer me something more than "I'm not a fascist". There absolutely is a No Trump voting option - only one - and it's voting for Biden. Voting for Biden is... voting for Biden. It sounds like you don't want to improve anything, you just want to avoid it getting worse. Or, at least, have it get worse slower. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] RandallFlagg@lemm.ee 20 points 3 years ago Well the fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as a "no confidence" vote. And if you don't want Trump in office in 2024 the best thing you can do to prevent that is vote Biden. I'm not a huge Biden fan either but that's how our system is in this country so it is what it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) That would still be mathematical spoiler, a no confidence vote would work on a ranked choice ballot though. If you want the world to get better, don't expect any politicians in any party to get the job done. Don't vote for what you want, vote for the candidate that will make your job of making the world a better place easier or even possible If it becomes illegal to feed the poor (e.g. parts of TX and other states I too think), speak against the government, etc how much change will be possible? Unless you're one of those accelerationists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 years ago* "Not a fascist" is only a sufficient condition in this case because the other guy is a fascist. I agree that in a world which wasn't fucking insane, both candidates would qualify as "not a fascist" and it would be immaterial. But under these circumstances - yes. Voting "Not a fascist" is literally an imperative, if imperatives can possibly exist at all in our ethical landscape. permalink fedilink source parent [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago counterpoint: avoiding or slowing the rate at which things get worse is a good thing, and there is no other option outside your imagination permalink fedilink source parent [–] wagoner@infosec.pub 5 points 3 years ago I get that you want another choice but this is the system we have to work within. If you really want it to be different, I recommend getting personally involved in politics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 41 points 3 years ago (2 children) True, but remember "did not vote" was higher then either Hillary or Trump first time around. I was apathetic in 2016, I didn't care enough to vote for her, or know enough to vote against Trump. I voted against Trump on 2020, and now I've seen enough I will vote for Biden in 2024, assuming he is the nominee. Otherwise, it's another vote against Trump. My point is, there was a real disconnect back in 2016, and a lot of people just couldn't be bothered. Trumps base has only gotten smaller, but the people who know and want to keep him out has grown. I suspect we will see both significant turn out, and significant voter suppression in 2024. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hazzia@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (2 children) What is Biden planning to do about the environment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dadbod@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago a lot? https://earthjustice.org/brief/2022/what-the-inflation-reduction-act-means-for-climate permalink fedilink source parent [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Believing that we need to switch courses is a good first step. The other thing is that the policies he managed to get passed are moving geothermal in the right direction. I heard for the first time about ground source heat pumps because of his incentives for their installation. There's also funding for public transit, charging infrastructure for EVs, sunsetting incandescents, etc. It's not perfect but it's better than some asshole up there saying how the whole thing is a Chinese hoax and chanting drill baby drill. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) ...didn't Trump get more votes in 2020 than in 2016? Has his base really gotten smaller? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jimbob0i0@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Smaller as a percentage of the active electorate. Biden also got more votes than any other candidate before him... but that's not unexpected with a positive population growth. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 48 points 3 years ago (2 children) We don't get a vote of no confidence. There's no box to check that says "No Trump". Also, Hillary got more votes than Trump did, so simply having more voters on your side doesn't necessarily mean that Trump will lose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wagoner@infosec.pub 61 points 3 years ago (1 child) So .. don't vote? There absolutely is a No Trump voting option - only one - and it's voting for Biden. There are several Yes Trump voting options: vote for Trump specifically, vote for a third party candidate, or vote for no one. It's not that complicated. Do the electoral map and electoral college make this difficult to achieve? Of course. But we can only win if we vote, and are guaranteed to lose if we don't. The fascists love voter apathy. Don't do their job for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world -23 points 3 years ago (5 children) I never said "Don't vote". However, I do think that we should be able to vote "no confidence", and if "no confidence" wins, they should have to do a while new election with new candidates. I vote for candidates who offer me something more than "I'm not a fascist". There absolutely is a No Trump voting option - only one - and it's voting for Biden. Voting for Biden is... voting for Biden. It sounds like you don't want to improve anything, you just want to avoid it getting worse. Or, at least, have it get worse slower. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] RandallFlagg@lemm.ee 20 points 3 years ago Well the fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as a "no confidence" vote. And if you don't want Trump in office in 2024 the best thing you can do to prevent that is vote Biden. I'm not a huge Biden fan either but that's how our system is in this country so it is what it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) That would still be mathematical spoiler, a no confidence vote would work on a ranked choice ballot though. If you want the world to get better, don't expect any politicians in any party to get the job done. Don't vote for what you want, vote for the candidate that will make your job of making the world a better place easier or even possible If it becomes illegal to feed the poor (e.g. parts of TX and other states I too think), speak against the government, etc how much change will be possible? Unless you're one of those accelerationists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 years ago* "Not a fascist" is only a sufficient condition in this case because the other guy is a fascist. I agree that in a world which wasn't fucking insane, both candidates would qualify as "not a fascist" and it would be immaterial. But under these circumstances - yes. Voting "Not a fascist" is literally an imperative, if imperatives can possibly exist at all in our ethical landscape. permalink fedilink source parent [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago counterpoint: avoiding or slowing the rate at which things get worse is a good thing, and there is no other option outside your imagination permalink fedilink source parent [–] wagoner@infosec.pub 5 points 3 years ago I get that you want another choice but this is the system we have to work within. If you really want it to be different, I recommend getting personally involved in politics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 41 points 3 years ago (2 children) True, but remember "did not vote" was higher then either Hillary or Trump first time around. I was apathetic in 2016, I didn't care enough to vote for her, or know enough to vote against Trump. I voted against Trump on 2020, and now I've seen enough I will vote for Biden in 2024, assuming he is the nominee. Otherwise, it's another vote against Trump. My point is, there was a real disconnect back in 2016, and a lot of people just couldn't be bothered. Trumps base has only gotten smaller, but the people who know and want to keep him out has grown. I suspect we will see both significant turn out, and significant voter suppression in 2024. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hazzia@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (2 children) What is Biden planning to do about the environment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dadbod@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago a lot? https://earthjustice.org/brief/2022/what-the-inflation-reduction-act-means-for-climate permalink fedilink source parent [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Believing that we need to switch courses is a good first step. The other thing is that the policies he managed to get passed are moving geothermal in the right direction. I heard for the first time about ground source heat pumps because of his incentives for their installation. There's also funding for public transit, charging infrastructure for EVs, sunsetting incandescents, etc. It's not perfect but it's better than some asshole up there saying how the whole thing is a Chinese hoax and chanting drill baby drill. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) ...didn't Trump get more votes in 2020 than in 2016? Has his base really gotten smaller? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jimbob0i0@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Smaller as a percentage of the active electorate. Biden also got more votes than any other candidate before him... but that's not unexpected with a positive population growth. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wagoner@infosec.pub 61 points 3 years ago (1 child) So .. don't vote? There absolutely is a No Trump voting option - only one - and it's voting for Biden. There are several Yes Trump voting options: vote for Trump specifically, vote for a third party candidate, or vote for no one. It's not that complicated. Do the electoral map and electoral college make this difficult to achieve? Of course. But we can only win if we vote, and are guaranteed to lose if we don't. The fascists love voter apathy. Don't do their job for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world -23 points 3 years ago (5 children) I never said "Don't vote". However, I do think that we should be able to vote "no confidence", and if "no confidence" wins, they should have to do a while new election with new candidates. I vote for candidates who offer me something more than "I'm not a fascist". There absolutely is a No Trump voting option - only one - and it's voting for Biden. Voting for Biden is... voting for Biden. It sounds like you don't want to improve anything, you just want to avoid it getting worse. Or, at least, have it get worse slower. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] RandallFlagg@lemm.ee 20 points 3 years ago Well the fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as a "no confidence" vote. And if you don't want Trump in office in 2024 the best thing you can do to prevent that is vote Biden. I'm not a huge Biden fan either but that's how our system is in this country so it is what it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) That would still be mathematical spoiler, a no confidence vote would work on a ranked choice ballot though. If you want the world to get better, don't expect any politicians in any party to get the job done. Don't vote for what you want, vote for the candidate that will make your job of making the world a better place easier or even possible If it becomes illegal to feed the poor (e.g. parts of TX and other states I too think), speak against the government, etc how much change will be possible? Unless you're one of those accelerationists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 years ago* "Not a fascist" is only a sufficient condition in this case because the other guy is a fascist. I agree that in a world which wasn't fucking insane, both candidates would qualify as "not a fascist" and it would be immaterial. But under these circumstances - yes. Voting "Not a fascist" is literally an imperative, if imperatives can possibly exist at all in our ethical landscape. permalink fedilink source parent [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago counterpoint: avoiding or slowing the rate at which things get worse is a good thing, and there is no other option outside your imagination permalink fedilink source parent [–] wagoner@infosec.pub 5 points 3 years ago I get that you want another choice but this is the system we have to work within. If you really want it to be different, I recommend getting personally involved in politics. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world -23 points 3 years ago (5 children) I never said "Don't vote". However, I do think that we should be able to vote "no confidence", and if "no confidence" wins, they should have to do a while new election with new candidates. I vote for candidates who offer me something more than "I'm not a fascist". There absolutely is a No Trump voting option - only one - and it's voting for Biden. Voting for Biden is... voting for Biden. It sounds like you don't want to improve anything, you just want to avoid it getting worse. Or, at least, have it get worse slower. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] RandallFlagg@lemm.ee 20 points 3 years ago Well the fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as a "no confidence" vote. And if you don't want Trump in office in 2024 the best thing you can do to prevent that is vote Biden. I'm not a huge Biden fan either but that's how our system is in this country so it is what it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) That would still be mathematical spoiler, a no confidence vote would work on a ranked choice ballot though. If you want the world to get better, don't expect any politicians in any party to get the job done. Don't vote for what you want, vote for the candidate that will make your job of making the world a better place easier or even possible If it becomes illegal to feed the poor (e.g. parts of TX and other states I too think), speak against the government, etc how much change will be possible? Unless you're one of those accelerationists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 years ago* "Not a fascist" is only a sufficient condition in this case because the other guy is a fascist. I agree that in a world which wasn't fucking insane, both candidates would qualify as "not a fascist" and it would be immaterial. But under these circumstances - yes. Voting "Not a fascist" is literally an imperative, if imperatives can possibly exist at all in our ethical landscape. permalink fedilink source parent [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago counterpoint: avoiding or slowing the rate at which things get worse is a good thing, and there is no other option outside your imagination permalink fedilink source parent [–] wagoner@infosec.pub 5 points 3 years ago I get that you want another choice but this is the system we have to work within. If you really want it to be different, I recommend getting personally involved in politics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RandallFlagg@lemm.ee 20 points 3 years ago Well the fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as a "no confidence" vote. And if you don't want Trump in office in 2024 the best thing you can do to prevent that is vote Biden. I'm not a huge Biden fan either but that's how our system is in this country so it is what it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) That would still be mathematical spoiler, a no confidence vote would work on a ranked choice ballot though. If you want the world to get better, don't expect any politicians in any party to get the job done. Don't vote for what you want, vote for the candidate that will make your job of making the world a better place easier or even possible If it becomes illegal to feed the poor (e.g. parts of TX and other states I too think), speak against the government, etc how much change will be possible? Unless you're one of those accelerationists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 years ago* "Not a fascist" is only a sufficient condition in this case because the other guy is a fascist. I agree that in a world which wasn't fucking insane, both candidates would qualify as "not a fascist" and it would be immaterial. But under these circumstances - yes. Voting "Not a fascist" is literally an imperative, if imperatives can possibly exist at all in our ethical landscape. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago counterpoint: avoiding or slowing the rate at which things get worse is a good thing, and there is no other option outside your imagination permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wagoner@infosec.pub 5 points 3 years ago I get that you want another choice but this is the system we have to work within. If you really want it to be different, I recommend getting personally involved in politics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 41 points 3 years ago (2 children) True, but remember "did not vote" was higher then either Hillary or Trump first time around. I was apathetic in 2016, I didn't care enough to vote for her, or know enough to vote against Trump. I voted against Trump on 2020, and now I've seen enough I will vote for Biden in 2024, assuming he is the nominee. Otherwise, it's another vote against Trump. My point is, there was a real disconnect back in 2016, and a lot of people just couldn't be bothered. Trumps base has only gotten smaller, but the people who know and want to keep him out has grown. I suspect we will see both significant turn out, and significant voter suppression in 2024. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hazzia@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (2 children) What is Biden planning to do about the environment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dadbod@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago a lot? https://earthjustice.org/brief/2022/what-the-inflation-reduction-act-means-for-climate permalink fedilink source parent [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Believing that we need to switch courses is a good first step. The other thing is that the policies he managed to get passed are moving geothermal in the right direction. I heard for the first time about ground source heat pumps because of his incentives for their installation. There's also funding for public transit, charging infrastructure for EVs, sunsetting incandescents, etc. It's not perfect but it's better than some asshole up there saying how the whole thing is a Chinese hoax and chanting drill baby drill. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) ...didn't Trump get more votes in 2020 than in 2016? Has his base really gotten smaller? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jimbob0i0@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Smaller as a percentage of the active electorate. Biden also got more votes than any other candidate before him... but that's not unexpected with a positive population growth. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hazzia@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (2 children) What is Biden planning to do about the environment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dadbod@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago a lot? https://earthjustice.org/brief/2022/what-the-inflation-reduction-act-means-for-climate permalink fedilink source parent [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Believing that we need to switch courses is a good first step. The other thing is that the policies he managed to get passed are moving geothermal in the right direction. I heard for the first time about ground source heat pumps because of his incentives for their installation. There's also funding for public transit, charging infrastructure for EVs, sunsetting incandescents, etc. It's not perfect but it's better than some asshole up there saying how the whole thing is a Chinese hoax and chanting drill baby drill. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (2 children) What is Biden planning to do about the environment? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dadbod@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago a lot? https://earthjustice.org/brief/2022/what-the-inflation-reduction-act-means-for-climate permalink fedilink source parent [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Believing that we need to switch courses is a good first step. The other thing is that the policies he managed to get passed are moving geothermal in the right direction. I heard for the first time about ground source heat pumps because of his incentives for their installation. There's also funding for public transit, charging infrastructure for EVs, sunsetting incandescents, etc. It's not perfect but it's better than some asshole up there saying how the whole thing is a Chinese hoax and chanting drill baby drill. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dadbod@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago a lot? https://earthjustice.org/brief/2022/what-the-inflation-reduction-act-means-for-climate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Believing that we need to switch courses is a good first step. The other thing is that the policies he managed to get passed are moving geothermal in the right direction. I heard for the first time about ground source heat pumps because of his incentives for their installation. There's also funding for public transit, charging infrastructure for EVs, sunsetting incandescents, etc. It's not perfect but it's better than some asshole up there saying how the whole thing is a Chinese hoax and chanting drill baby drill. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) ...didn't Trump get more votes in 2020 than in 2016? Has his base really gotten smaller? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jimbob0i0@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Smaller as a percentage of the active electorate. Biden also got more votes than any other candidate before him... but that's not unexpected with a positive population growth. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jimbob0i0@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Smaller as a percentage of the active electorate. Biden also got more votes than any other candidate before him... but that's not unexpected with a positive population growth. permalink fedilink source parent