▲ 858 ▼ Chances for the fediverse? Elon Musk takes hit as Europeans ditch X in droves (www.politico.eu) submitted 1 year ago by tfm@europe.pub to c/fediverse@lemmy.world 158 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://europe.pub/post/372863 cross-posted from: https://metawire.eu/post/61363 The right-wing billionaire’s platform has recently lost about 10 percent of its European user base.
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Which accessibility standards does Mastodon break? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Muyal@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (5 children) Oh boy, where do I even begin: Federation. People have no idea what it is, which means that they have to familiarize themselves with all these technical concepts just to create an account. Servers. Most mastodon servers are locked, and you have to petition the admins to let you in, which often implies waiting more than a day. In other sites, you can create an account in 5 seconds, so mastodon is at a disadvantage. Lack of an algorithm. This implies people won't see the content they like, which means they have to go and actively look for content. Most people don't want to spend time doing that, they just want to log in, laugh at funny memes ans look at pretty pictures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) 3 is a feature to me. The "algorithms" seem to create bubbles, and I want to decide myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) and bluesky doesn’t have a default algorithm either, but allows you to subscribe to algorithms created by other people being able to choose how the information is presented is the way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) That seems like a good way, to give the user the option. In your opinion, are these algorithms transparent enough to understand or even verify for regular users? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 1 year ago* yes and no… essentially they’re http services that people run, so they can either be closed or FOSS… i could see a future where there’s like those 1-click “run on ” on github pages and you can audit the code if you want, and self host they call them “feeds” if you’re interested in going deep permalink fedilink source parent [–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Some people want to make social media account to browse illustration or photography. Unfortunately, that's not doable on fediverse. You follow anyone, and suddenly your feed filled with content that you are not interested in. Example: your favourite artist also post a lot of game screenshoot, but you're not interested in the games. You just want to see the illustration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) You can follow hashtags and also block them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Not everything is under hashtag. Most of artist I follow never put hashtag. Hashtag also not useful in multilanguage situation, where a hashtag can mean different think between communities and languages. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) The same is true for Bsky but people don't complain about it there. It asks you what server you want when you sign up, etc., which is what people complain about in the Mastodon journey. Most people aren't on locked servers. By which, I mean the majority of mastodon users are on the .social instance which is the default when you sign up on the official app/site and is open to anyone. Not an accessibility issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* Are we sure that the people that complains about "what's an instance?" don't have an agenda? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago I'm pretty sure Mastodon is made of algorithms, mate permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, you don't know what accessibility standards are. You're just using a term, "accessibility", to mean "the way that I want it to work". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago and you’re just using the term accessibility to mean a11y… the word accessibility is far broader than simply accessibility standards for people with disabilities permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wiz@midwest.social -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) So what? Damn straight they are locked. Other wise you get Nicole spam on all of them, instead of just a few. So what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is exactly the dismissive attitude that has shaped Mastodon development, and why it will never have broad appeal to replace any traditional social media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CapriciousDay@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Muyal@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (5 children) Oh boy, where do I even begin: Federation. People have no idea what it is, which means that they have to familiarize themselves with all these technical concepts just to create an account. Servers. Most mastodon servers are locked, and you have to petition the admins to let you in, which often implies waiting more than a day. In other sites, you can create an account in 5 seconds, so mastodon is at a disadvantage. Lack of an algorithm. This implies people won't see the content they like, which means they have to go and actively look for content. Most people don't want to spend time doing that, they just want to log in, laugh at funny memes ans look at pretty pictures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) 3 is a feature to me. The "algorithms" seem to create bubbles, and I want to decide myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) and bluesky doesn’t have a default algorithm either, but allows you to subscribe to algorithms created by other people being able to choose how the information is presented is the way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) That seems like a good way, to give the user the option. In your opinion, are these algorithms transparent enough to understand or even verify for regular users? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 1 year ago* yes and no… essentially they’re http services that people run, so they can either be closed or FOSS… i could see a future where there’s like those 1-click “run on ” on github pages and you can audit the code if you want, and self host they call them “feeds” if you’re interested in going deep permalink fedilink source parent [–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Some people want to make social media account to browse illustration or photography. Unfortunately, that's not doable on fediverse. You follow anyone, and suddenly your feed filled with content that you are not interested in. Example: your favourite artist also post a lot of game screenshoot, but you're not interested in the games. You just want to see the illustration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) You can follow hashtags and also block them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Not everything is under hashtag. Most of artist I follow never put hashtag. Hashtag also not useful in multilanguage situation, where a hashtag can mean different think between communities and languages. permalink fedilink source parent [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) The same is true for Bsky but people don't complain about it there. It asks you what server you want when you sign up, etc., which is what people complain about in the Mastodon journey. Most people aren't on locked servers. By which, I mean the majority of mastodon users are on the .social instance which is the default when you sign up on the official app/site and is open to anyone. Not an accessibility issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* Are we sure that the people that complains about "what's an instance?" don't have an agenda? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago I'm pretty sure Mastodon is made of algorithms, mate permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, you don't know what accessibility standards are. You're just using a term, "accessibility", to mean "the way that I want it to work". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago and you’re just using the term accessibility to mean a11y… the word accessibility is far broader than simply accessibility standards for people with disabilities permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wiz@midwest.social -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) So what? Damn straight they are locked. Other wise you get Nicole spam on all of them, instead of just a few. So what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is exactly the dismissive attitude that has shaped Mastodon development, and why it will never have broad appeal to replace any traditional social media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CapriciousDay@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) 3 is a feature to me. The "algorithms" seem to create bubbles, and I want to decide myself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) and bluesky doesn’t have a default algorithm either, but allows you to subscribe to algorithms created by other people being able to choose how the information is presented is the way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) That seems like a good way, to give the user the option. In your opinion, are these algorithms transparent enough to understand or even verify for regular users? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 1 year ago* yes and no… essentially they’re http services that people run, so they can either be closed or FOSS… i could see a future where there’s like those 1-click “run on ” on github pages and you can audit the code if you want, and self host they call them “feeds” if you’re interested in going deep permalink fedilink source parent [–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Some people want to make social media account to browse illustration or photography. Unfortunately, that's not doable on fediverse. You follow anyone, and suddenly your feed filled with content that you are not interested in. Example: your favourite artist also post a lot of game screenshoot, but you're not interested in the games. You just want to see the illustration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) You can follow hashtags and also block them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Not everything is under hashtag. Most of artist I follow never put hashtag. Hashtag also not useful in multilanguage situation, where a hashtag can mean different think between communities and languages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) and bluesky doesn’t have a default algorithm either, but allows you to subscribe to algorithms created by other people being able to choose how the information is presented is the way permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) That seems like a good way, to give the user the option. In your opinion, are these algorithms transparent enough to understand or even verify for regular users? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 1 year ago* yes and no… essentially they’re http services that people run, so they can either be closed or FOSS… i could see a future where there’s like those 1-click “run on ” on github pages and you can audit the code if you want, and self host they call them “feeds” if you’re interested in going deep permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) That seems like a good way, to give the user the option. In your opinion, are these algorithms transparent enough to understand or even verify for regular users? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 1 year ago* yes and no… essentially they’re http services that people run, so they can either be closed or FOSS… i could see a future where there’s like those 1-click “run on ” on github pages and you can audit the code if you want, and self host they call them “feeds” if you’re interested in going deep permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 point 1 year ago* yes and no… essentially they’re http services that people run, so they can either be closed or FOSS… i could see a future where there’s like those 1-click “run on ” on github pages and you can audit the code if you want, and self host they call them “feeds” if you’re interested in going deep permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Some people want to make social media account to browse illustration or photography. Unfortunately, that's not doable on fediverse. You follow anyone, and suddenly your feed filled with content that you are not interested in. Example: your favourite artist also post a lot of game screenshoot, but you're not interested in the games. You just want to see the illustration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) You can follow hashtags and also block them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Not everything is under hashtag. Most of artist I follow never put hashtag. Hashtag also not useful in multilanguage situation, where a hashtag can mean different think between communities and languages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) You can follow hashtags and also block them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Not everything is under hashtag. Most of artist I follow never put hashtag. Hashtag also not useful in multilanguage situation, where a hashtag can mean different think between communities and languages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Not everything is under hashtag. Most of artist I follow never put hashtag. Hashtag also not useful in multilanguage situation, where a hashtag can mean different think between communities and languages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) The same is true for Bsky but people don't complain about it there. It asks you what server you want when you sign up, etc., which is what people complain about in the Mastodon journey. Most people aren't on locked servers. By which, I mean the majority of mastodon users are on the .social instance which is the default when you sign up on the official app/site and is open to anyone. Not an accessibility issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* Are we sure that the people that complains about "what's an instance?" don't have an agenda? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* Are we sure that the people that complains about "what's an instance?" don't have an agenda? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago I'm pretty sure Mastodon is made of algorithms, mate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, you don't know what accessibility standards are. You're just using a term, "accessibility", to mean "the way that I want it to work". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago and you’re just using the term accessibility to mean a11y… the word accessibility is far broader than simply accessibility standards for people with disabilities permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago and you’re just using the term accessibility to mean a11y… the word accessibility is far broader than simply accessibility standards for people with disabilities permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wiz@midwest.social -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) So what? Damn straight they are locked. Other wise you get Nicole spam on all of them, instead of just a few. So what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is exactly the dismissive attitude that has shaped Mastodon development, and why it will never have broad appeal to replace any traditional social media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CapriciousDay@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is exactly the dismissive attitude that has shaped Mastodon development, and why it will never have broad appeal to replace any traditional social media. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CapriciousDay@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CapriciousDay@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent