▲ 858 ▼ Chances for the fediverse? Elon Musk takes hit as Europeans ditch X in droves (www.politico.eu) submitted 1 year ago by tfm@europe.pub to c/fediverse@lemmy.world 158 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://europe.pub/post/372863 cross-posted from: https://metawire.eu/post/61363 The right-wing billionaire’s platform has recently lost about 10 percent of its European user base.
[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 18 points 1 year ago (2 children) I tried moving to Mastadon first a few years ago and it was a pretty shit experience, Bluesky however has stuck in my app rotation pretty well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] excral@feddit.org 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) General advice regarding open source: even if you tried something out years ago and didn't like it, it may be well worth giving it another shot. Open source projects often need some time to mature and take their time to improve, but only get better over time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Which is incidentally the opposite of proprietary products, where if you give it another go in a few years it either doesn't exist or is enshittified. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sl00k@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Unfortunately until they implement a For you algorithm across all instances and abandoned their archaic hashtag following system I will not be re-attempting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago Do you need someone holding your hand while you cross the street too? permalink fedilink source parent [–] atro_city@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Because Bluesky is centralised. You went from one serial killer's house to another. You don't know which serial killer owns your new house, but you're hoping they'll be nicer than the previous one. But at least their house is nearly as nice as the old serial killer's house. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Dunno why you're being down voted so hard. Didn't Bluesky literally cede to Turkish demands of censorship or some shit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Yep. That's exactly why I'm saying it's centralised. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Because Bluesky is centralised. You say that like that isn't exactly what the majority of people want. When I first left Reddit, I was trying to explain Lemmy and federated services to some friends and one of them immediately replied with "why would you want that?" And this was from a guy who owned and operated his own TeamSpeak server just for his friends to use. The average person wants a service that's easy to use first and foremost, and that is always going to be easier to do with a big centralized one owned and operated by a large company. They just want to be able to make an account and connect with friends and content. They don't care about things like privacy until it actively harms them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I mean, I don't even think it's a matter of privacy, and moreso a matter of spreading out the amount of influence that one person can have as a whole on a public platform. If it's more spread out, there is less direct control that billionaires and corpos will have on these platforms that have basically become very important in terms of public discourse and public opinion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago I'm not saying it "like" anything. I'm stating that they are not escaping anything but moving from problem to future problem. Isn't email easy to use? Do people know that it's federated? Probably not, but it's easy to understand because they have been exposed to it for so long that it's natural to them without knowing how it works. Why do you assume the same cannot happen for the fediverse? It's basically social media built on top of email. The major mistake people make is trying to explain technical stuff to people who don't give a fuck. "Look at your email account, it's YOURNAME@WEBSITE, well, that's the same for lemmy and mastodon, pick a website you like, create an account, and that's it". Everyone knows what a website is, everyone knows what email is, everyone knows (but probably hasn't realised) that they can send emails to SOMEBODYELSE@OTHERWEBSITE, that's it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] excral@feddit.org 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children) General advice regarding open source: even if you tried something out years ago and didn't like it, it may be well worth giving it another shot. Open source projects often need some time to mature and take their time to improve, but only get better over time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Which is incidentally the opposite of proprietary products, where if you give it another go in a few years it either doesn't exist or is enshittified. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sl00k@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Unfortunately until they implement a For you algorithm across all instances and abandoned their archaic hashtag following system I will not be re-attempting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago Do you need someone holding your hand while you cross the street too? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Which is incidentally the opposite of proprietary products, where if you give it another go in a few years it either doesn't exist or is enshittified. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Unfortunately until they implement a For you algorithm across all instances and abandoned their archaic hashtag following system I will not be re-attempting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago Do you need someone holding your hand while you cross the street too? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago Do you need someone holding your hand while you cross the street too? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) Because Bluesky is centralised. You went from one serial killer's house to another. You don't know which serial killer owns your new house, but you're hoping they'll be nicer than the previous one. But at least their house is nearly as nice as the old serial killer's house. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Dunno why you're being down voted so hard. Didn't Bluesky literally cede to Turkish demands of censorship or some shit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Yep. That's exactly why I'm saying it's centralised. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Because Bluesky is centralised. You say that like that isn't exactly what the majority of people want. When I first left Reddit, I was trying to explain Lemmy and federated services to some friends and one of them immediately replied with "why would you want that?" And this was from a guy who owned and operated his own TeamSpeak server just for his friends to use. The average person wants a service that's easy to use first and foremost, and that is always going to be easier to do with a big centralized one owned and operated by a large company. They just want to be able to make an account and connect with friends and content. They don't care about things like privacy until it actively harms them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I mean, I don't even think it's a matter of privacy, and moreso a matter of spreading out the amount of influence that one person can have as a whole on a public platform. If it's more spread out, there is less direct control that billionaires and corpos will have on these platforms that have basically become very important in terms of public discourse and public opinion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago I'm not saying it "like" anything. I'm stating that they are not escaping anything but moving from problem to future problem. Isn't email easy to use? Do people know that it's federated? Probably not, but it's easy to understand because they have been exposed to it for so long that it's natural to them without knowing how it works. Why do you assume the same cannot happen for the fediverse? It's basically social media built on top of email. The major mistake people make is trying to explain technical stuff to people who don't give a fuck. "Look at your email account, it's YOURNAME@WEBSITE, well, that's the same for lemmy and mastodon, pick a website you like, create an account, and that's it". Everyone knows what a website is, everyone knows what email is, everyone knows (but probably hasn't realised) that they can send emails to SOMEBODYELSE@OTHERWEBSITE, that's it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Dunno why you're being down voted so hard. Didn't Bluesky literally cede to Turkish demands of censorship or some shit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Yep. That's exactly why I'm saying it's centralised. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Yep. That's exactly why I'm saying it's centralised. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Because Bluesky is centralised. You say that like that isn't exactly what the majority of people want. When I first left Reddit, I was trying to explain Lemmy and federated services to some friends and one of them immediately replied with "why would you want that?" And this was from a guy who owned and operated his own TeamSpeak server just for his friends to use. The average person wants a service that's easy to use first and foremost, and that is always going to be easier to do with a big centralized one owned and operated by a large company. They just want to be able to make an account and connect with friends and content. They don't care about things like privacy until it actively harms them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I mean, I don't even think it's a matter of privacy, and moreso a matter of spreading out the amount of influence that one person can have as a whole on a public platform. If it's more spread out, there is less direct control that billionaires and corpos will have on these platforms that have basically become very important in terms of public discourse and public opinion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago I'm not saying it "like" anything. I'm stating that they are not escaping anything but moving from problem to future problem. Isn't email easy to use? Do people know that it's federated? Probably not, but it's easy to understand because they have been exposed to it for so long that it's natural to them without knowing how it works. Why do you assume the same cannot happen for the fediverse? It's basically social media built on top of email. The major mistake people make is trying to explain technical stuff to people who don't give a fuck. "Look at your email account, it's YOURNAME@WEBSITE, well, that's the same for lemmy and mastodon, pick a website you like, create an account, and that's it". Everyone knows what a website is, everyone knows what email is, everyone knows (but probably hasn't realised) that they can send emails to SOMEBODYELSE@OTHERWEBSITE, that's it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I mean, I don't even think it's a matter of privacy, and moreso a matter of spreading out the amount of influence that one person can have as a whole on a public platform. If it's more spread out, there is less direct control that billionaires and corpos will have on these platforms that have basically become very important in terms of public discourse and public opinion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago I'm not saying it "like" anything. I'm stating that they are not escaping anything but moving from problem to future problem. Isn't email easy to use? Do people know that it's federated? Probably not, but it's easy to understand because they have been exposed to it for so long that it's natural to them without knowing how it works. Why do you assume the same cannot happen for the fediverse? It's basically social media built on top of email. The major mistake people make is trying to explain technical stuff to people who don't give a fuck. "Look at your email account, it's YOURNAME@WEBSITE, well, that's the same for lemmy and mastodon, pick a website you like, create an account, and that's it". Everyone knows what a website is, everyone knows what email is, everyone knows (but probably hasn't realised) that they can send emails to SOMEBODYELSE@OTHERWEBSITE, that's it. permalink fedilink source parent