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Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 2x04 "Among the Lotus Eaters" (startrek.website)
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Written by Kirsten Beyer & Davy Perez

Directed by Eduardo Sanchez

LoglineReturning to a planet that dredges up tragic memories, Captain Pike and his landing party find themselves forgetting everything, including their own identities as he confronts a ghost from his past.

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[–] 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

Annotations up at https://startrek.website/post/282663.

This was a very TOS episode yet in terms of feel.

The dialogue could easily have come from the mouths of the TOS cast, and the situation on the planet reminiscent of officers violating the Prime Directive like in TOS: “The Omega Glory” or “Bread and Circuses”. Even Mount's delivery when on the planet was Shatner-esque.

I can readily imagine Kirk, McCoy and a random redshirt or Chekov on the planet in Pike, M’Benga and La’An’s place, and Sulu pulling it together like Ortegas.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    I agree that it has a genuine TOS feel.

    Especially as it gets back to the mid 20th century thought experiments around how the mind functions, but informed my more current understanding of memory, cognitive function and emotion.

    I wasn’t quite sure the balance of the scenes was what it could have been, but it was good to see all of the main cast having their moments. I was nonetheless frustrated that Number One was quickly sidelined once again.

    Also I was uncomfortable with how far Pike was willing to go in his aggression in order to get information from Zack. I believe we’re supposed to feel that, but it did feel that it was pushed just that moment longer to drive home the point that Pike’s deep ethics are what keeps him in check, not his emotions. It also tracks with his anger and how he even used it to break the thrall of the Talosians in The Cage.

    But overall, I liked it. It’s a deeper and more challenging episode than it may seem on the surface, first watch. I suspect it will be one that stands up over a longer horizon.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I felt like they were trying to show Captain Pike as going a little far when beating up Zac, but I thought he was being totally reasonable given the situation of "this guy knows how to keep your memories and you really really need to force him to hand that information over." There was no way for him to know all he had to do was wait around in the palace for a little while.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    It's an interesting insight into Pike's character - the fact that he had to remember not to beat the crap out of Zac implies that innately he's not a pacifist or a nice guy; that dark side is something he's learned to keep in check.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    @psychothumbs @khaosworks That *was* interesting. His instincts work overpowering Zac in the phaser battle but then we don’t actually know if he’ll “remember” he can’t just beat him senseless afterwards. Maybe we’ll see some Pike backstory at some point that shows him learning ethical lessons when he’s younger.

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