I don't like smartphones. I use a dumbphone.

But this is a wonderful initiative.

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[–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well yeah, because why would phone companies care? Consumers buy devices based on camera and display quality, not for security, privacy, etc. I just had a chat w/ a coworker about a Chinese device with an incredible camera and big battery, and I highly doubt it does anything but the bare minimum for security. It's a cool piece of hardware, but a no-go for anyone that cares even a little about security updates.

I have a Pixel device because it has a long SW support cycle (Google promises at least 7 years), and I use GrapheneOS because it removes Google's spyware crap. I'm not married to GrapheneOS or Pixel devices, I just need something where the software support will last at least longer than my desire to keep the device (about 4-5 years for me). I've ditched each of my last phones largely because they ran out of security update support, and that sucks.

I'd prefer a Linux phone w/ decent security features, but they don't meet my minimum standards for things working (just need phone features to work properly, don't need apps). The moment a Linux phone comes out than actually works properly and has reasonable security, I'll switch. The FairPhone could be that, but it's not, so I don't have one.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    how is pixel with graphene os ? does it completely remove all google spyware shit? or do they have some sort of hardware backdoor?

    the reason I ask is because i have a motorola right now and it pisses me off immensely ... there is this notification they keep pushing, "Activate Live Lock screen" which i don't even know what it is, some background pictures crap. I uninstalled this app, but the notification remains. Like it's not there always but keeps coming back every few days. this has been going on for months and i got so pissed i decided to contact support and complain there. they said, something along the lines of, we can connect remotely and do it for you. ( like disable, but they can't disable because i went through every option on the phone, it cannot be disabled, it's just bloatware) but their "we can do it for you remotely" got me thinking, backdoors, backdoors everywhere.

    now i want a new phone lol and one that can support a custom firmware but installing custom firmwares on pretty much all phones is a nightmare.

    but i also hate buying anything google, hence my question.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Understand your worries. I can say that GOS is the gold standard of privacy phones , nothing beats it. Calyx comes in 2nd. A new install of graphene has a browser, pdf viewer sms app and that's about it. Use as you wish , with secured bootloader and zero google stuff. And I think it's the easiest install of any , anyone can do it. And 2nd hand phones are available

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    thanks, this sounds great. i've installed a few custom firmwares but like a decade ago and i wanted to install one on my motorola recently and was just perplexed at the complexity of it all, i might be getting old. i mean i can follow instructions, but just so many things can go wrong, don't do this, softbrick, don't do that, hardbrick ... honestly, the instructions were well written but unorganized a bit, just put me off.

    i think i might like GOS tho, sounds great and 2nd hand pixel 8 or so are cheap enough so i'll probably give it a go.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yea a lot have changed in 10 years in the cat and mouse game. GOS is a completely different thing. Want to unlock or unlock bootloader on a Motorola = 2 pages instructions in different xda threads. On a pixel? fastboot oem unlock done. And that's just because I'm old school , GOS have a webinstaller were I think you don't even need to touch the terminal.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    how is pixel with graphene os ?

    Good?

    By default, there's no Google Play Services or any Google apps whatsoever. What you do have is a handful of utilities and a minimal app store that gives you the option to install Google Play Services and a few other apps. Or you can use the browser (Vanadium, a Chromium fork w/ some security options enabled) to download an alternative app store (F-Droid, Aurora, etc). They recently added Accrescent to the built-in app store as well, and I see 12 apps in that app store. I think by default there are 6 apps installed? (Messaging, PDF Viewer, Vanadium, Info, Auditor, and the App Store). I can't remember which I had to install manually since I set it up a few months ago.

    So yes, I think they thoroughly remove Google's stuff from the default install.

    Most Android apps seem to work (i.e. installed through Aurora), though a few have issues without Google Play Services running or one of the security features. I use a separate profile for the apps I need that don't work w/o Google Play services, and I switch profiles as needed. That way I don't have Google Play Services running at all unless I actually need it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    alright thanks for the extensive answer, this sounds great. i like the two profiles setup. and i didn't even know about aurora store ( i am out of the loop i know :) ) looks like this could be my next phone, and previous gen looks great enough, i don't need the latest bells and whistles, pixel 8 would be great.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Not only that, it's really really hard to leave the app ecosystem. Anything that has an alternative basically has to run Android apps as well

    I mean with smart homes and all the various apps, it becomes really hard to switch phones even. Even your bank app

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