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[–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Good. Privacy is a fundamental right, but since that platform is regularly used to doxx people who are simply trying to exist, in addition to platforming and incubating some of the most harmful ideologies, they've relinquished any claims to those rights to privacy, as far as I'm concerned.

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  • [–] 126 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    The way you're describing it, it sounds more like you believe privacy is a privilege, not a right.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You mean, people who operate a platform where people's privacy constantly gets violated should have a right to their own privacy?

    I dunno. I understand your point, but @Telorand@reddthat.com is also kind of right.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Rights are unchangeable based on circumstances. They can never be revoked.

    Privlivges can be.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Exactly. There is no such thing as rights in that context as we have seen governments take them and be force to relinquish them throughout history. Everything can be taken or revoked.

    Inalienable rights are a pipe dream of idealistic, naive people who have never lived in the real world where these so-called Rights had be fought or died for.

    Just look at the current state of the the UK, their PM proudly stated that 400 were arrested for posting shit online. WTF? In Germany a man was charged for calling a fat, obese politician 'fat.' The UK wants to become a nanny state, for your protection, you see. Same with Germany and others. They are literally and slowly coping the CCP police state model.

    In the USA, in some States is now literally Illegal to NOT do business with Israel. But you want to not do business with Canada or Mexico, then go right ahead. Nobody cares. Gee, I wonder who is funding these policians, AIPAC? Yes.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    All rights are privileges, if we're going to be pedantic. This is evidenced by the fact that they can be taken away. Society tends to operate on an unspoken, collective agreement that certain rights should never be violated, but if they were actually intrinsic, we wouldn't have to fight tooth and nail for them.

    I'm a moral relativist, so if someone is happy to abuse their right to privacy to harm others or otherwise take their rights away, especially the right to privacy, I don't feel any compunction to draw a hard line and say that the harmful person deserves to keep those rights in spite of their actions.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    All rights are privileges, if we’re going to be pedantic. This is evidenced by the fact that they can be taken away.

    I know you don't intend for me to hear this, but I heard George Carlin as you typed that. He has a whole bit on rights vs privileges.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh? I'm not that familiar with his comedy, but I probably should get to know it. What little I know I like!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    People call him a comedian, and if you define comedy as "something you find funny", then yeah. By that definition, he's a comedian.

    But really he's just a philosopher who points out lifes absurdities, and it's the contrast between the truth, and what people feel permitted by society to say outloud that's the basis of his comedy.

    He makes you get feelings such as "What? You can't say that!" And then he does a routine, and you think "Actually, he has a point, it feels wrong to say that, but he has a point"

    And here's the biggest thing about him that people don't understand. He died in 2008. So people always like to say "Oh, I wonder what he'd say about politics and society today! He'd probably have a whole thing on trump!"

    To which I say he already did that. His material holds up because society doesn't change. The same shit that was true in 1844 is the same shit we're dealing with today. Race, power, money, status, war. It's a tale older than recorded history. We don't learn. We keep repeating the same paterns as our fathers generation, just as he did for his fathers generation, just as he did for his fathers generation. And so on and so on and so on. Small details change, but the landscape of human behavior is unaffected. History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.

    Anyways, here's a bit from him. I didn't watch it but based on the title, I'm fairly sure it's the clip you reminded me of

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Do you believe liberty is a right? It's one of the first laid out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and yet I don't think a single signatory nation doesn't incarcerate people guilty of crime. By your logic, I don't think there are any true "rights" in existence, because there are circumstance in which any of them can be taken away.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nope. If you intentionally cause harm to others with said rights. See my reply to someone else who made a similar assumption.

    https://reddthat.com/comment/18075681

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    No, I understand just fine. You're ignoring the part where I said rights aren't actually fundamental or intrinsic. They're privileges society treats that way, and like other privileges, they can be taken away.

    In any case, if you go to a well-known Nazi bar on purpose, what does that make you? People who go to 4chan on purpose aren't innocent victims, and their potential loss of privacy is justifiable considering how much harm has come just from there.

    If you use your rights (i.e. social privileges) to purposely cause harm, or to support platforms or causes that are well-known to cause harm, there should be consequences.

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